Search found 2049 matches

by Paul Derouda
Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:48 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Bibliographies on book V of the Iliad
Replies: 2
Views: 110

Re: Bibliographies on book V of the Iliad

There is apparently no commentary for book V in either the Cambridge Greek and Latin Classics ("Green and Yellow") or the German Gesamtkommentar series, where new volumes are being published (some of the German volumes have even been translated into English). So unfortunately the Cambridge commentar...
by Paul Derouda
Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:41 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 7 Lines 78-102
Replies: 21
Views: 480

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 7 Lines 78-102

Some questions about the text: 81 – αὐτὰρ (as at 6.2) is very much not a 'but' – is it untranslatable in this sense? It seems to me something like 'meanwhile' but without the necessity of it being at the same time. 85 – what is the sense of κατα in this line? 86/87 – what should I be imagining when...
by Paul Derouda
Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:02 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hello everyone
Replies: 1
Views: 51

Re: Hello everyone

Welcome to Textkit!
by Paul Derouda
Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:13 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: A comprehension exercise
Replies: 20
Views: 726

Re: A comprehension exercise

Yes, another one! The last one came too late in the evening for me to really get into it...

Actually I thought about ιπποταδα, it felt somehow familiar, but it couldn't make sense out of it and couldn't find it in with Google or in LSJ, so I thought it was impossible...
by Paul Derouda
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:31 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: A comprehension exercise
Replies: 20
Views: 726

Re: A comprehension exercise

This is a nice challenge but a difficult one, and I need to go to sleep. This is just a start. Maybe I got something right? This just might feature a ship being equipped - my wild guess. ἐστολισεν με [ . .]αφαροϲ ανεψιοϲ αιολου ιπ[ .]οταδα·καθ[εδρα]αιϲ δ᾽ ετανυϲϲ ἐπα[ . . .]εϲ ϲιπυρανδ[ ̣ ̣]α μεμβλε...
by Paul Derouda
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:14 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca
Replies: 65
Views: 1820

Re: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca

Well, maybe we should all cool down a bit around here? This is supposed to be fun anyway! Different people have not only different methods but different goals as well, Joel included. I enjoyed the beginning of this thread, it's a nice poem Joel found for us and it was fun to correct his mistakes and...
by Paul Derouda
Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:52 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca
Replies: 65
Views: 1820

Re: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca

Also, I'll repeat my question: But I am genuinely curious now. Isn't there anyone here, that when they got to the point that they could pretty much follow what all the characters were saying in a Platonic dialogue, or a tragic play, that simply read a few for fun? Or anything that they hadn't read ...
by Paul Derouda
Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:43 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca
Replies: 65
Views: 1820

Re: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca

εἷς μὲν ἑταίρης, εἷς δέ με παρθενικῆς, εἷς δέ μ᾽ ἔκαυσε νέου -- I'm not sure you noticed that all three genitives are complements of ἔκαυσε -- a neat tricolon. ἑταίρης, and παρθενικῆς are not dependent on πόθοις,, as your translation (like Patton's) suggests, missing the tricolon. Good point; I too...
by Paul Derouda
Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:18 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca
Replies: 65
Views: 1820

Re: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca

ἕν τι ποθεινότατον παιδὶ φίλημα διδούς -- the point is that he was limited to just a kiss and never got to "go all the way". I'm sure most of your corrections are right, but wouldn't we have aorist and not present participle in this particular case? Did he even get to give that one kiss? Hence my "...
by Paul Derouda
Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:02 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca
Replies: 65
Views: 1820

Re: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca

Maybe yes. Anyway, I’m sorry but I really don’t see the point of not looking up in the dictionary. I think a good dictionary has always been a great help with all my language studies, not just Greek but English and others as well. A good dictionary gives you not just a definition but also examples o...
by Paul Derouda
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:43 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca
Replies: 65
Views: 1820

Re: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca

Point is, τῇ is an adverb, no feminines. ”I’m being burnt here and wounded (ελκοω) there and I hesitate which side I’m going to lean (fall?).”
by Paul Derouda
Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:16 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca
Replies: 65
Views: 1820

Re: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca

Oh, they are real doors. And her porch. Of course. I see the door/porch contrast now. Here is the next one, which was probably together with it because of the similar theme (all these are under a subheading "A. E CORONA MELEAGRI"): Κύπρι, τί μοι τρισσοὺς ἐφ᾽ ἕνα σκοπὸν ἤλασας ἰούς, ἐν δὲ μιῇ ψυχῇ τ...
by Paul Derouda
Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:54 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca
Replies: 65
Views: 1820

Re: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca

I found a translation for the first one by Paton (https://topostext.org/work/535): No longer do I love. I have wrestled with three passions that burn: one for a courtesan, one for a maiden, and one for a lad. And in every way I suffer pain. For I have been sore exercised, seeking to persuade the cou...
by Paul Derouda
Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:29 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca
Replies: 65
Views: 1820

Re: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca

This would help the μέν/δέ too. The opposition is between what he's experienced at the hetaira's door and what he's lived through on the girl's porch. Let me try my hand at this: No longer do I desire. I've wrestled with three cravings that have burnt me: one for a prostitute, one for a virgin, one...
by Paul Derouda
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:13 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca
Replies: 65
Views: 1820

Re: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca

παστάς is a porch. So I guess ἔστρωμαι δὲ κόρης ἐπὶ παστάδος αἰὲν ἄυπνος "I'm lying on the a girl's porch, always sleepless".
by Paul Derouda
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:09 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca
Replies: 65
Views: 1820

Re: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca

Ok, I think I got it: γεγύμνασμαι μὲν ἑταίρης /πείθων τὰς ἐχθρὰς οὐδὲν ἔχοντι θύρας "I'm experienced at trying to convince a hetaira's doors which are hostile to one who has nothing".
by Paul Derouda
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:00 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca
Replies: 65
Views: 1820

Re: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca

There are a few things I don't understand about the poem myself, but I think you got it wrong in quiet a few places... ἐρῶ = ἐραω desire πεπάλαικα "I have wrestled" πόθος "longing" (not quite the same I think as "passion") ἤλγηκα "I have suffered" γεγύμνασμαι "I am excercised in" γυμνάζω means "to t...
by Paul Derouda
Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Possessive Adjectives?
Replies: 12
Views: 608

Re: Possessive Adjectives?

Since you asked... :) b. A few adjectives are indeclinable: as, damnās, frūgī (really a dative of service, see § 382. 1. N.2), nēquam (originally an adverb), necesse, and the pronominal forms tot, quot, aliquot, totidem. Potis is often used as an indeclinable adjective, but sometimes has pote in th...
by Paul Derouda
Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:26 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Assassin's creed Odyssey
Replies: 6
Views: 1366

Re: Assassin's creed Odyssey

In one Youtube video the player had a chat with a Herodotus... That feels somehow cheap to me, however the reconstructed sites are done very well. I haven’t played it either, I’ve only watched those Youtube videos. I also watched a clip taking place at Olympia. What a strange experience - it looked ...
by Paul Derouda
Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:36 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Assassin's creed Odyssey
Replies: 6
Views: 1366

Assassin's creed Odyssey

Does anyone know this game? I had heard only vague rumors about it. I was talking today with a friend who's not really into ancient Greece and he told me he'd been playing it today. He told me the developers have put quite a lot of effort into it to make it feel "right", so for example the monuments...
by Paul Derouda
Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:57 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading gospel of John in Greek
Replies: 13
Views: 1003

Re: Reading gospel of John in Greek

The gospels of Mark and John were probably the first texts I read in Greek, much easier than any classical text. Mark is probably a bit easier, but everyone I know finds John more interesting. After these I attacked Homer. I think the Anabasis of Xenophon and the Apology by Plato are both rather eas...
by Paul Derouda
Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:23 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 7 Lines 48-77
Replies: 9
Views: 1000

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 7 Lines 48-77

Thanks Sean. But don't despair so soon. It's not always easy to find something interesting to say (it depends on the passage in question), and I can't always go wildly off-topic on Finnish sauna traditions or whatever (or can I?). And of course, the amount of time each one of us can contribute to th...
by Paul Derouda
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:30 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Secular uses of εις.
Replies: 26
Views: 1888

Re: Secular uses of εις.

Ah, so I looked up Acts 2:38 and there’s apparently a minor inconsistency with what comes first, baptism or repentance. It seems to me that people are reading these texts much too closely, trying to make different authors 100% consistent and find relevant distinctions in what might have been at most...
by Paul Derouda
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:03 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Secular uses of εις.
Replies: 26
Views: 1888

Re: Secular uses of εις.

I’m completely unaware of all the theological wars that are being waged around this verse; but just looking naively at the Greek it seems to say ”I baptize with water into repentance”. The implication being apparently that baptism in water permits or is the first step into repentance, the beginning ...
by Paul Derouda
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:52 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Imperfect v. Aorist
Replies: 7
Views: 731

Re: Imperfect v. Aorist

I might be wrong, but it seems to me that the aorist would be more likely used about a decision that is final, whereas the imperfect would be more appropriate in a context where the selected course of action is open to revision if the circumstances change. This is how I see the Thucydidean passages ...
by Paul Derouda
Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:49 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 7 (!) Lines 1-26
Replies: 15
Views: 1253

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 7 (!) Lines 1-26

Thanks Sean, deep inside I knew all that but I'd forgotten - I have actually read both books. I strange how quickly you forget things when you don't think about them for some time. For all I know, West's theory makes sense.
by Paul Derouda
Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:59 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 7 (!) Lines 1-26
Replies: 15
Views: 1253

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 7 (!) Lines 1-26

mwh wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:36 pm
(post-Homeric, but pre-Alexandrian)
Now you got my attention! Could you elaborate? Why not Alexandrian? I'm not contesting, just curious.
by Paul Derouda
Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 295-331 [end]
Replies: 48
Views: 2515

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 295-331 [end]

I think this reflects real cult practices, even if in this particular case the sacred grove is fictional. When Odysseus arrives in Ithaca, he hides his valuables in a sacred cave of the nymphs, which is suspected to be a real world cult place in Ithaca. (There are probably better examples of actual ...
by Paul Derouda
Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:36 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Bookstore discovery - Fragmenta Selecta
Replies: 3
Views: 579

Re: Bookstore discovery - Fragmenta Selecta

I have never physically visited this bookstore (I wish I had!), but I have ordered from them several times over the years and can highly recommend them. They have always promptly answered any enquiries I might have had and, what's most important, when there was a minor problem once, they dealt with ...
by Paul Derouda
Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:34 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Vacation reading
Replies: 71
Views: 4491

Re: Vacation reading

Will I die, doc? :D No seriously, I knew that’s name you call it. But I don’t remember it being uncomfortable or scary, just weird. I was like wow, that’s what it’s like to see a ghost! I’ve had a sleep paralysis a very few times in my life, and that’s extremely unnice, but I don’t think I had one t...
by Paul Derouda
Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:39 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Vacation reading
Replies: 71
Views: 4491

Re: Vacation reading

I don't believe that it's possible to interpret dreams (whether in the Freudian or some magical way), but it is sometimes disturbing how our mind recombines things we've experienced in the day in our dreams in surprising ways. I'm pretty sure you hadn't thought about at that colleague for some time,...
by Paul Derouda
Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:21 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Trip to Greece - advice?
Replies: 13
Views: 1481

Re: Trip to Greece - advice?

Everybody seems to say that Delphi is good idea, with different things to do in the area. Well then...! I suppose we'll take a tour there. Any tips if we want to stay for the night in the region? The cave of Zeus in Naxos sounds nice, but I think it's a bit too far from Athens. But I'll keep that in...
by Paul Derouda
Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:53 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Vacation reading
Replies: 71
Views: 4491

Re: Vacation reading

αὐτοκασιγνήτη is a full sister (same mother and father) while κασιγνήτη is any sister, full or half (similarly for ((αὐτο)κασίγνοτος "brother").

Without looking up (thus respecting the casual nature of this thread...) I have a vague recollection that Chantraine connects -κασι- with καί.
by Paul Derouda
Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:53 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Vacation reading
Replies: 71
Views: 4491

Re: Vacation reading

With "deception", I of course meant "disappointment", which Hylander kindly pointed out to me. Déception is disappointment in French...
by Paul Derouda
Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:58 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Vacation reading
Replies: 71
Views: 4491

Re: Vacation reading

Rest assured that some of the best parts are still to come - like the swineherd Eumaios, and others, which I’m not going to spoil for you! There’s also the horrible hanging of the slave girls. The very end might be something of a deception, but other than that, the second half is just as good as the...
by Paul Derouda
Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:34 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 262-294
Replies: 27
Views: 1912

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 262-294

Is this an irrelevant aside, or an example of how young women from more straitlaced cultures than our own were imagined to have discussed sex? I can't tell. I don't think it's irrelevant. But there's the added complication that there's an important proportion of male fantasy in the female character...
by Paul Derouda
Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:31 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 262-294
Replies: 27
Views: 1912

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 262-294

Richard Janko, in his Cambridge commentary on Iliad 13-16, sees sexual imagery in this and other martial passages. In his note on 290-1 he says, among other things (he also cites many other passages and gives secondary literature): "ὀαριστύς, metaphorically 'battle', originally meant 'courting', 'am...
by Paul Derouda
Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:16 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 262-294
Replies: 27
Views: 1912

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 262-294

Are you expecting us to understand that a woman against her parent's wishes would have sex (willingly) with men before her wedding? I think it was probably shameful enough to simply be in the company of men. I like Wilson's "got too intimate" which rather deliciously fudges the issue. I was saying ...
by Paul Derouda
Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:01 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Vacation reading
Replies: 71
Views: 4491

Re: Vacation reading

I'm not sure I really have a theory, it was more like random observations on how the focus in interactions between characters is on the external and not the internal...
by Paul Derouda
Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:48 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 262-294
Replies: 27
Views: 1912

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 262-294

Just a quick search, by no means exhaustive, of μίσγω in early hexameter poetry as a simple verb (i.e. without εν φιλοτητι) in the sense "to have sex". IL.9.133 μή ποτε τῆς εὐνῆς ἐπιβήμεναι ἠδὲ μιγῆναι, IL.21.143 πρεσβυτάτη: τῇ γάρ ῥα μίγη ποταμὸς βαθυδίνης. OD.1.73 ἐν σπέσσι γλαφυροῖσι Ποσειδάωνι μ...