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by scotistic
Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:10 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: De civitate Dei libri XXII
Replies: 3
Views: 186

Re: De civitate Dei libri XXII

Wonderful! Congratulations on the end of a long and worthy project!
by scotistic
Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:59 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: CLAIMED - Greek & Latin Introductory Textbooks
Replies: 1
Views: 192

Re: Greek & Latin Introductory Textbooks Available

I would love to take you up on this offer, but I have most of these myself already. I hope someone is able to derive and appreciate the enormous benefits available with this collection.
by scotistic
Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:23 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Wanted: Dedicated Proof Listener for Reading of Anabasis
Replies: 18
Views: 2857

Re: Wanted: Dedicated Proof Listener for Reading of Anabasis

I think Cyropaedia is a great idea. Looking forward to it!
by scotistic
Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:35 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Vacation reading
Replies: 64
Views: 2522

Re: Vacation reading

I've been doing this myself lately, reading the Odyssey with no help but Stanford's commentary, and the Aeneid straight out of the OCT. I don't get absolutely everything, but I get most of it and it's a lot more fun than laboring over a desk full of ancillaries!
by scotistic
Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:14 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Wanted: Dedicated Proof Listener for Reading of Anabasis
Replies: 18
Views: 2857

Re: Wanted: Dedicated Proof Listener for Reading of Anabasis

I've continued to follow the progress on this and the Augustine project with great interest. I'd be willing to give proof-listening a try on a future project, though I have no experience with this kind of thing. I'd be very interested in any classic works there aren't recordings available for alread...
by scotistic
Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:52 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Nisi Dominus custodierit domum, in vanum vigilant qui custodiunt eam
Replies: 5
Views: 753

Re: Nisi Dominus custodierit domum, in vanum vigilant qui custodiunt eam

The imperfect is not appropriate here, because the psalmist isn't making a statement about what the Lord was doing over time, but about what would be the case now were the Lord *not* doing something previously. Keep in mind that the Latin of the Vulgate Psalter often reads kind of funky by classical...
by scotistic
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:32 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Learning Latin only to understand Classics.
Replies: 20
Views: 1773

Re: Learning Latin only to understand Classics.

seneca2008 wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:50 pm
No modern philosopher would ever try to make such a comparison as they were trying to do very different things.
Seeing as I have a doctorate in philosophy myself, there is at least one counterexample. But I don't believe I am alone in my assessment. No disrespect to your namesake intended.
by scotistic
Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:23 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Learning Latin only to understand Classics.
Replies: 20
Views: 1773

Re: Learning Latin only to understand Classics.

I think you would do well to make a distinction between what you like as opposed to the value judgements you make about their supposed superiority. These comparisons were popular at one time but I am not sure they add much value. Seneca was a fine philosopher and his stoicism once belittled as "ecl...
by scotistic
Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:01 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Learning Latin only to understand Classics.
Replies: 20
Views: 1773

Re: Learning Latin only to understand Classics.

As for the superiority of the Greeks to the Romans, well the Romans themselves tended to acknowledge that, but neither do I think they should be sold short Horace may have quipped about it but are we really to take it at face value? Romanisation/Hellenisation is a difficult topic to tease out. Ther...
by scotistic
Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:23 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Learning Latin only to understand Classics.
Replies: 20
Views: 1773

Re: Learning Latin only to understand Classics.

Sidenote: I also couldn't help chuckling at your title for the thread. "Only to Understand Classics..." For most of us, that's the main reason for learning the language... :D Speaking for myself, while I do love Virgil, Cicero, and Ovid, I learned Latin primarily to read the medieval scholastics an...
by scotistic
Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:24 pm
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: best edition of aeneid
Replies: 11
Views: 1083

Re: best edition of aeneid

Page, if you can find a copy: http://dcc.dickinson.edu/aeneid-vergil-books-i-vi Also Bennet and Greenough if you can find them. The commentary is stashed after the text in both, but they offer magnificent help for beginning and intermediate readers, not only grammar and syntax hints, but literary d...
by scotistic
Sat May 25, 2019 6:51 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Back to Greek after 2 years
Replies: 3
Views: 578

Re: Back to Greek after 2 years

The first book I used when I went back to Greek after a years-long hiatus was Schoder and Horrigan's A Reading Course in Homeric Greek. I thought it was very good (much better than Pharr) and I recommend it; for Attic I would very highly recommend the Italian Athenaze (I went through both volumes tw...
by scotistic
Sat May 25, 2019 6:47 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: First 100 lines of the Iliad
Replies: 22
Views: 10849

Re: First 100 lines of the Iliad

I've been listening to the Iliad from time to time in the car on the way to work. My thinking is that I want to get a feel for the verse so that when I finally get to Homer I'll have some familiarity. I have Lombardo and Barry Powell as well as Julius Tomin. I'm not aware of any continuous reading ...
by scotistic
Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:16 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 49
Views: 7582

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

Orberg begins sneaking in a little authentic classical Latin (some poems by Catullus, if I recall correctly) by the end of Familia Romana. The follow-up volume Roma Aeterna is largely compiled and simplified from classical sources. There are a number of supplemental "readers" which are Orbergized se...
by scotistic
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:42 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille
Replies: 48
Views: 54213

Re: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille

I don't know why you necessarily expect these to be any easier than some Classical Latin that's out there. As far as I can tell many of them look about the same. There is no point in detecting or listing errors in most of them: they are horrendously badly written. Enough can be found on a Google se...
by scotistic
Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:42 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille
Replies: 48
Views: 54213

Re: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille

I don't know of any such list of mistakes. In my view there's no problem with reading these modern translations, depending on what you want out of them. I read many of them for enjoyment and easy practice. I don't write in Latin and am not worried that my ability to read the classics is going to som...
by scotistic
Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:18 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin word order
Replies: 25
Views: 3298

Re: Latin word order

παθηματα μαθηματα
by scotistic
Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:25 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Aug. de civitate dei
Replies: 5
Views: 721

Re: Aug. de civitate dei

God willing, the Librivox recording read by the usual suspect should be completed by the end of the year. I for one am waiting with bated breath. I look in on your progress almost every day. Just a very minor point, which you may or may not be aware of: iste, at least in clossical Latin, is often c...
by scotistic
Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:38 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Is there a Patristic Library of sorts?
Replies: 2
Views: 1056

Re: Is there a Patristic Library of sorts?

Migne is the standard edition of the Fathers; there are a number of modern series, none of them as complete, offering more up-to-date editions, such as Corpus Christianorum. Loeb doesn't only have the two Apostolic Fathers volumes, but one volume of Clement of Alexandria, four of Basil, two of Euseb...
by scotistic
Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:25 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Reading Livy
Replies: 5
Views: 1370

Re: Reading Livy

This is pretty much how I learned Latin. I got the basics from Wheelock, which I hated, then worked through all the Henle books, which I loved, then (a few years later) went through all the Lingua Latina books, which I loved even more. I recommend this strategy.
by scotistic
Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Looking for advice on which dialects to concern myself with
Replies: 23
Views: 3386

Re: Looking for advice on which dialects to concern myself w

if, following Hylander's recommendation, you dip into Xenophon's Anabasis at some point (which is a time-honored approach to learning Greek), an advantage is that you you can accompany your study with an excellent recording of the Anabasis , a work in progress on LibriVox , by Textkit's own Bedwere...
by scotistic
Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:27 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Looking for advice on which dialects to concern myself with
Replies: 23
Views: 3386

Re: Looking for advice on which dialects to concern myself w

"When I took first-year Greek in school, we completed the grammar sometime after the middle of the first year, and we read Odyssey 9 at the end of the first year. Much of the second year was devoted to the Iliad." I had three semesters of Greek in college. It was essentially one semester of grammar ...
by scotistic
Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Looking for advice on which dialects to concern myself with
Replies: 23
Views: 3386

Re: Looking for advice on which dialects to concern myself w

"I think that most people who have worked through the basics of Attic Greek are surprised to find that they adapt to Homeric Greek much more quickly than they expected." I think in this respect moving from Attic to Homer is like moving from Shakespeare to Chaucer. Surprisingly doable, and once you g...
by scotistic
Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:51 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Another nice article re: Aeneid
Replies: 3
Views: 1464

Re: Another nice article re: Aeneid

For me it was the first chapter of Augustine's Confessions. I'd spent a long time with grammar and then struggling through Caesar, then picked up Augustine, read through a couple of pages, and said "hold the phone, this Latin is amazing!" The same sense of wonder and delight came, *much* more strong...
by scotistic
Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:45 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Looking for advice on which dialects to concern myself with
Replies: 23
Views: 3386

Re: Looking for advice on which dialects to concern myself w

I should clarify why I put Homer in there along with Attic. Not only do later authors quote and imitate Homer for the next thousand years, so that a lack of acquaintance with him would be like a lack of acquaintance with Shakespeare when reading later English literature (might be tolerable for readi...
by scotistic
Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Looking for advice on which dialects to concern myself with
Replies: 23
Views: 3386

Re: Looking for advice on which dialects to concern myself w

If you want to sight-read both Aristotle and the Greek Fathers, you need to learn Greek really well. That means gaining a much higher level of proficiency than those who are content to struggle through the New Testament with their word-studies and concordances and knowledge of translations. There's ...
by scotistic
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:17 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Silent Expurgation
Replies: 17
Views: 3516

Re: Silent Expurgation

The composition section is interesting. I find it plausible in general if not in detail. In my view the composition of the Iliad is most likely analogous with that of Le Morte D'Arthur: built largely but not completely out of pre-existing material shaped and matured in a long tradition, constructed ...
by scotistic
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:47 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Silent Expurgation
Replies: 17
Views: 3516

Silent Expurgation

I've been reading the Iliad in the Macmillan Leaf and Bayfield edition, along with their notes. Today I discovered that 3.441-447 are omitted, simply passed over without any acknowledgment! No mention in the notes either (it's the bit after Paris and Menelaus' dual where Paris tells Helen he hasn't ...
by scotistic
Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Wanted: Dedicated Proof Listener for Reading of Anabasis
Replies: 18
Views: 2857

Re: Wanted: Dedicated Proof Listener for Reading of Anabasis

I'm looking forward to it. I've profited from your other recordings, and have been waiting for, and following your progress on, your De civitate dei recording for the last year and a half!

You're doing all of us a great service.
by scotistic
Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:04 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Studying latin while in university doing other course?
Replies: 2
Views: 1876

Re: Studying latin while in university doing other course?

I did it. I took Greek and classical French while getting a degree in philosophy (more or less), and studied Latin on the side.
by scotistic
Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:41 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Oxford Classical Dictionary
Replies: 4
Views: 3695

Re: Oxford Classical Dictionary

My own feeling is that with OUP older is nearly always better. That's certainly true of the physical properties of their books. But I also feel that their revisions are hardly ever in a good direction. The scholarship may be more up to date but it seems to me that these days scholars look at pre-20t...
by scotistic
Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:03 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Your suggested materials for learning of the Latin language?
Replies: 11
Views: 5844

Re: Your suggested materials for learning of the Latin langu

I'm in the same boat as pdenisowski - Lingua Latina was far from my first Latin book, but it catapulted me to a new level. I'm not saying to pick up Familia Romana alone and pound away at it until you know all the grammar. As I already said, get another more traditional primer to explain things, or ...
by scotistic
Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:07 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Your suggested materials for learning of the Latin language?
Replies: 11
Views: 5844

Re: Your suggested materials for learning of the Latin langu

1. Lingua Latina. 2. Lingua Latina. 3. Lingua Latina. There's no better way to get good at Latin. By all means use a grammar-translation primer of some sort to familiarize yourself with the outlines of the language, but Orberg's course is the real deal. Get all of the supplemental readers too and re...
by scotistic
Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:37 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Finished Pharr -> need a basic reader...
Replies: 5
Views: 3002

Re: Finished Pharr -> need a basic reader...

If you just finished Pharr's Homeric Greek, by far (Pharr!) the best thing you can do is read Steadman's Homer selections. In three inexpensive volumes you can get two more books from the Iliad and seven from the Odyssey, a very respectable chunk that will give plenty of good practice. This is the l...
by scotistic
Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: ossa, reginald foster - out soon
Replies: 12
Views: 5192

Re: ossa, reginald foster - out soon

I've been waiting to take a look at this book for over a year. I don't know why it's taking so long. I too have heard great things about the method and people swear by Fr Foster, but I don't know the details. I have seen videos of him and his students conversing fluently in Latin, which is a great r...
by scotistic
Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:33 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Loebs Ancient and Modern
Replies: 17
Views: 7899

Re: Loebs Ancient and Modern

I agree with everything Victor says. I have over a hundred Loebs, ranging from fifty or sixty years old to brand new ones (a few old library copies I have might go back to the 1940s), and the quality is remarkably consistent. The new ones are not badly done at all, good durable cloth covers and sewn...
by scotistic
Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:47 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cicero, de Senectute, general question
Replies: 8
Views: 3054

Re: Cicero, de Senectute, general question

Tone can be really hard to judge in ancient languages! I'm reading some of Lucian's dialogues in Greek, and a few times in the last couple of days I found myself stopping with the exact same question -- is this supposed to be funny? I think so -- but it's hard to say! Sorry that this doesn't directl...
by scotistic
Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:11 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: De consolatione philosophiae
Replies: 7
Views: 3460

Re: De consolatione philosophiae

Thank you very much for this! I've much enjoyed your other recordings, especially the Confessions. This one is particularly welcome, as the Consolatio is one of my favorite books (I've recently begun reading the commentary on it by Dionysius Cartusianius!).

I am much in your debt.
by scotistic
Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:45 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Guilty Pleasure Latin Immersion
Replies: 9
Views: 7385

Re: Guilty Pleasure Latin Immersion

I think this notion that nobody can write Latin anymore is overstated. In fact people do learn foreign languages and write competent books in them, even as adults. And people wrote books in fluent Latin for more than a millennium after it had ceased to be anyone's native language. I have many volume...
by scotistic
Thu May 02, 2013 7:24 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Iliad with Attic Parallel Text
Replies: 64
Views: 58914

Re: Iliad with Attic Parallel Text

Speaking of not being able to imagine reading Homer any other way, this isn't really relevant to the current post, but I've been using this lately: http://books.google.com/books/about/Homeri_Carmina_et_cycli_epici_reliquiae.html?id=ziEAAAAAYAAJ My Greek is not good enough to read Homer with Attic pa...