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by TonyLoco23
Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:53 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Most beautiful Greek Poetry?
Replies: 1
Views: 2002

Most beautiful Greek Poetry?

What is considered the most beautiful piece of Classical Greek poetry? And what is your own personal opinion of what is the most beautiful?

What about in the later Koine and Byzantine eras? Any particularly beautiful poetry from those eras too?
by TonyLoco23
Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:16 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What does 'Δούρα Ευρωπός' mean?
Replies: 1
Views: 1224

What does 'Δούρα Ευρωπός' mean?

The Hellenistic city in Syria called Δούρα Ευρωπός, what does the name mean?
by TonyLoco23
Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How to pronounce "K" in Ancient Greek?
Replies: 5
Views: 4747

How to pronounce "K" in Ancient Greek?

In modern Greek, K is pronounced like a hard C just as it is in English, i.e. the Cyclades (Κυκλάδες) are pronounced as Kiklades. Was this also the same for Ancient Greek? Therefore the following place names were also pronounced with hard "C"s: Cilicia (Κιλικία) Cyrenaica (Κυρηναϊκή) If this is the ...
by TonyLoco23
Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?
Replies: 30
Views: 19652

Re: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?

It is inflected and yes it does have cases. You don't say Me think , do you? Why? Because me is the object case. Subject case is I , of course. You use the genitive every time you say my house, and nouns do decline: foot, feet , etc. Verbs conjugate as a form of inflection: I walk , she walks , etc...
by TonyLoco23
Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:41 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?
Replies: 30
Views: 19652

Re: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?

Greek. (But the reasons people are giving above are trivial.) Care to enlighten us on the real reasons then? So English must be nigh impossible for you, with all those cases, and person and number, and sometimes even tense, all being identical... :) I am afriad you have lost me here, English has no...
by TonyLoco23
Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:41 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?
Replies: 30
Views: 19652

Re: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?

Attic no doubt for reasons that have been mentioned here PLUS what I think is the biggest reason of them all: vocabulary building. How does one ever build up the Attic vocabulary??? Latin grammar, Latin vocabulary, Attic grammar all seem to shrink to nothing as the K2 of Attic vocabulary looms. Int...
by TonyLoco23
Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?
Replies: 30
Views: 19652

Re: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?

Thanks for the reply Petrus, that was reasurring. Except that the obvious headstart is a huge advantage. And the alphabet too. These are not things to be lightly tossed out. Well if that is genuienly one of the disadvantages of Attic then I am not worried at all as I have already learnt the alphabet...
by TonyLoco23
Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:39 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?
Replies: 30
Views: 19652

Re: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?

The best way to make progress with ANY language is to read things that seem EASY to you, not things that seem too hard or frustrating. If you read lots and lots of easy things (and you will find that easy to do, of course), you will actually gain far more than struggling through a little bit of rea...
by TonyLoco23
Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:14 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?
Replies: 30
Views: 19652

Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?

Aside from the obvious headstart one gets from Latin in that many of the words are immediately familiar to English speakers, which is harder Classical Latin or Attic? I have spent the last couple of years intensively studying Latin on my own and am still struggling through Classical authors at an ab...
by TonyLoco23
Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:09 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Strange use of infinitive in Caesar's Gallic Wars
Replies: 2
Views: 2698

Strange use of infinitive in Caesar's Gallic Wars

Just started reading Caesar's Gallic Wars, I have come across a strange use of the infinitive of the verb 'flagitare': Interim cotidie Caesar Haeduos frumentum, quod essent publice polliciti, flagitare . The translation for this sentence on Perseus is: Meanwhile, Caesar kept daily importuning the Ae...
by TonyLoco23
Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:46 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Viris Illustribus: Caius Gracchus
Replies: 1
Views: 998

Viris Illustribus: Caius Gracchus

et cum iam a satellitibus Opimii comprehenderetur, iugulum servo praebuit, qui dominum et mox semetipsum super domini corpus interemit. http://www.slu.edu/colleges/AS/languages/classical/latin/tchmat/readers/lhomond/lho4.htm#grac Here's my attempt: and when he was apprehended by Opius's men, he off...
by TonyLoco23
Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:26 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Viris Illustribus: Third Punic War
Replies: 6
Views: 2574

Re: Viris Illustribus: Third Punic War

Thanks again Adrianus. I guess my main problem was that I had mis-translated "notare", whitakers words does not list "to censure" as a definition for it, one of the rare incidents where Whitakers words is not accurate and exhaustive. Also "Contra Mummius" I translated as "against Mummius", but actua...
by TonyLoco23
Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:45 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Viris Illustribus: Third Punic War
Replies: 6
Views: 2574

Re: Viris Illustribus: Third Punic War

Thanks very much imber ranae. That was extremely useful. I have added 'usui est' to my Anki deck. I am still having some trouble with this passage, I had some issue with the very next paragraph, but I think I got it: Cuidam propter onus aegre incedenti dixit: Cum te gladio vallare sciveris, tunc val...
by TonyLoco23
Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:04 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Viris Illustribus: Third Punic War
Replies: 6
Views: 2574

Viris Illustribus: Third Punic War

Having some trouble with this passage: Qui miles extra ordinem fuisset deprehensus, eum virgis caedebat: iumenta omnia vendi iussit, ne oneribus portandis usui essent: militem quemque triginta dierum frumentum ac septenos vallos ferre coegit. http://www.slu.edu/colleges/AS/languages/classical/latin/...
by TonyLoco23
Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze for self study: What do I need to buy?
Replies: 9
Views: 8370

Re: Athenaze for self study: What do I need to buy?

If you can afford the teacher's book in addition to vol.2 (vol.1 is mostly not needed for your level), I'm sure that can only make things easier. Thanks, so you recommend the teachers handbook? Also it seems that the teachers handbook does not have all of the content to the students book, therefore...
by TonyLoco23
Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:27 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze for self study: What do I need to buy?
Replies: 9
Views: 8370

Athenaze for self study: What do I need to buy?

I have done a lot of research (on this forum and Amazon reviews) and I have decided that Athenaze is the right textbook for me to learn Ancient Greek by myself. But my question is, how many books do I need to buy? I hear the book comes in 2 seperate volumes. And that there are also workbooks and a "...
by TonyLoco23
Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:01 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Resources suggestions
Replies: 54
Views: 69330

Re: Resources suggestions

Here's a great resource for starting out with Koine Greek: http://greek-language.com/grammar/index.html What I like most about it is that for every word introduced it lists the number of instances the word appears in the Bible, which is helpful to determine which vocab to concentrate on. It is incom...
by TonyLoco23
Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:42 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Viris Illustribus: What is King Philip saying?
Replies: 5
Views: 2266

Viris Illustribus: What is King Philip saying?

I am having a little trouble working out what King Philip is saying here: Accensus indignatione rex exclamavit: Quid victo imperares gravius, Tite Quincti? Et cum quidam ex circumstantibus oculis aeger adiecisset: Aut bello vincendum, aut melioribus parendum esse. http://www.slu.edu/colleges/AS/lang...
by TonyLoco23
Sat May 28, 2011 1:39 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Viris Illustribus: Cato
Replies: 2
Views: 1251

Re: Viris Illustribus: Cato

Thanks Adrianus, your translation makes perfect sense. Sometimes the way the sentences are split up in seperate lines actually throws me off rather than helps me, like the first line of the paragragh. And as for "worth more than" (melius mereri quam) I feel kind of dumb that I wasn't able to spot th...
by TonyLoco23
Fri May 27, 2011 10:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Which Greek dialect did these Hellenistic thinkers write in?
Replies: 5
Views: 2694

Which Greek dialect did these Hellenistic thinkers write in?

Which Greek dialect did these early Hellenistic thinkers write in? (i.e. Attic, Doric, Koine, etc.) If none of their writings are extant, then which dialect would they likely have written in given their time and place? Most of them are poets or scientists from the golden age of Ptolemaic Alexandria:...
by TonyLoco23
Fri May 27, 2011 8:01 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Viris Illustribus: Cato
Replies: 2
Views: 1251

Viris Illustribus: Cato

What is this all about: Ab alio homine improbo contumeliis proscissus: Iniqua, inquit, tecum mihi est pugna: tu enim probra facile audis, et dicis libenter; mihi vero et dicere ingratum, et audire insolitum. Dicere solebat acerbos inimicos melius de quibusdam mereri quam eos amicos qui dulces videan...
by TonyLoco23
Mon May 23, 2011 4:27 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Trouble with Cicero's Pro Archia
Replies: 2
Views: 1765

Trouble with Cicero's Pro Archia

I am trying to translate Cicero's Pro Archia but it is very hard, he doesn't half ramble. In the end of paragraph 23: http://www.forumromanum.org/literature/cicero/arch.html#23 It says: quod cum ipsis populis de quorum rebus scribitur, haec ampla sunt, tum eis certe, qui de vita gloriae causa dimica...
by TonyLoco23
Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Immersion style book for beginners in Ancient Greek?
Replies: 8
Views: 5255

Immersion style book for beginners in Ancient Greek?

When I began learning Latin, I really really enjoyed "Lingua Latin Per Se Illustrada" by Hans Orberg. The book basically uses an immersion/deductive technique to teach Latin rather than simply teaching grammatical rules, in other words it tries to teach Latin as a child would actually pick up their ...
by TonyLoco23
Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pronunciation differences between Ancient and Modern Greek
Replies: 13
Views: 14682

Pronunciation differences between Ancient and Modern Greek

Are there any major differences between the pronunciation of ancient and modern Greek? If not, then for self study, the google language tools (designed for modern Greek) would be a good way to determine the pronunciation of Ancient Greek words aswell. I.e. http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=...
by TonyLoco23
Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:05 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Best Online Dictionary for Ancient Greek?
Replies: 12
Views: 71231

Re: Best Online Dictionary for Ancient Greek?

Thanks for that. It seems I can only look up Greek>English words and not English>Greek words.
Is there any other site that does both?

Also i can't seem to work out how to input Greek letters on that page. If I copy and paste from other websites, the Greek letters just come out as strange symbols.
by TonyLoco23
Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Best Online Dictionary for Ancient Greek?
Replies: 12
Views: 71231

Best Online Dictionary for Ancient Greek?

I am looking for an online dictionary for Ancient Greek. I am mostly interested in Koine, but info on Attic would also be useful. Ideally, I was hoping there might be something similar to Whitakers Words ( http://www.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/words.exe ) But for Greek, is there anything as good as tha...
by TonyLoco23
Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:56 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Recognized exam for Latin?
Replies: 5
Views: 3190

Re: Recognized exam for Latin?

Thanks so much for your repsonse and your offer to help Thesaurus. My background is that I have a Bachelor of Arts in Archaeology from University College London, UK, so somewhat related to history. But from that point on my career went off on a different path, I got a Masters of Science in GIS (Geog...
by TonyLoco23
Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:47 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Recognized exam for Latin?
Replies: 5
Views: 3190

Recognized exam for Latin?

I have been teaching myself Latin for the last couple of years, though I have no formal training. I want to apply for history PHD programs. I was rejected this year by 2 universities, I was wondering if there is any universally accepted Latin language exam that I could take that would help my applic...
by TonyLoco23
Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:32 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Original meaning of 'malum'
Replies: 7
Views: 15297

Original meaning of 'malum'

The word "malum, mali" has two principle meanings: 1) evil, bad 2) apple, fruit, apple tree Does the association of 'malum' with evil have anything to do with the role of the apple in the story of Adam and Eve? If so, which was the original meaning of the word in pre-Chrsitian times? Did it mean 'ap...
by TonyLoco23
Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:17 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Another tricky sentence from Viris Illustribus
Replies: 6
Views: 2426

Another tricky sentence from Viris Illustribus

I am having some more problems with a tricky sentence from Viris Illustribus: http://www.slu.edu/colleges/AS/languages/classical/latin/tchmat/readers/lhomond/lho3a.htm#afri About half way down, where it says: Statim in hospitium Metelli, qui conspirationis erat princeps, se contulit Scipio; cumque c...
by TonyLoco23
Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:04 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Best way to learn declensions?
Replies: 19
Views: 40244

Re: Best way to learn declensions?

Don't forget that neuters always use the nominative for the accusative, even in the singular. The accusative of "corpus, corporis" is "corpus". Ah, I had always assumed that those were "irregular" nouns. All the more reason to learn the neuters after learning the other declensions. If I had learned...
by TonyLoco23
Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:28 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Actum Erat
Replies: 2
Views: 1734

Actum Erat

I am reading the Viris Illustribus 3a, http://www.slu.edu/colleges/AS/languages/classical/latin/tchmat/readers/lhomond/lho3a.htm#sali The second paragraph under the sub-heading: CLAUDIUS NERO ET MARCUS LIVIUS SALINATOR, it says: Actum erat de imperio Romano, si iungere se Annibali potuisset. Literal...
by TonyLoco23
Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:22 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Best way to learn declensions?
Replies: 19
Views: 40244

Re: Best way to learn declensions?

Obviously memorisation is the only way to go. But you do not neccesarily need to learn each declension totally seperately, there are some tricks to simplify it, for example, regardless of declension: The accusative singular always ends in m (um, am, em) The accusative plural always ends in s (es, os...
by TonyLoco23
Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:50 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Viris Illustribus: What is Hannibal saying?
Replies: 2
Views: 1297

Viris Illustribus: What is Hannibal saying?

I am reading the Viris Illustribus (available online here: http://www.slu.edu/colleges/AS/languages/classical/latin/tchmat/readers/lhomond/lho3a.htm#marc ) In the Secon Punic War part, under the subsection 'MARCUS CLAUDIUS MARCELLUS', Hannibal is besieging a city called Casilinum and trying to starv...
by TonyLoco23
Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:40 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Penitus Ignoro
Replies: 1
Views: 1402

Penitus Ignoro

I am reading the Gesta Romanorum and I keep coming across this expression: "penitus ignoro". What does this mean? At first I thought it meant "I ignore the penalty" or "I am unaware of the penalty". But from the context this does not always make sense. Does it simply mean, "I am unaware of something...
by TonyLoco23
Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:34 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What is the meaning of "inter" at the beginning of verbs?
Replies: 3
Views: 3791

What is the meaning of "inter" at the beginning of verbs?

At first glance, it would seem that the prefix "inter" would signify "between" (interea), as it does in the following verbs: -intercedere - to intervene -interponere - to insert -interesse - to be between -interpellere - to interupt However, there are also a number of verbs that have the "inter" pre...
by TonyLoco23
Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:43 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: De desponsatione filii regis
Replies: 3
Views: 1315

De desponsatione filii regis

Working my way through Gesta Romanorum, what is this one about: 140. De desponsatione filii regis. Filius quippe regis Ierusalem desponsavit sibi filiam regis Babylonis acceptamque tradidit erudiendam atque ornandam sub manu custodis. Ipse vero abiit instruere convivium. Quam denuo reversus cum inge...
by TonyLoco23
Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: De Ethiopo
Replies: 6
Views: 2792

Re: De Ethiopo

Damn your good! Thanks for that. Where I really went wrong is assuming that I knew what 'temptare' meant without looking it up. I just assumed it meant to "tempt" someone, i.e. to appeal to someone. And alligata, participle of alligare "to bind", made me think that he was appealing to the traveler ...
by TonyLoco23
Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:48 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: De Ethiopo
Replies: 6
Views: 2792

De Ethiopo

I am having trouble understanding what this story from the Gesta Romanorum is about: De Ethiopo Legitur vitas patrum, quod quidam egressus viderit Ethiopem in silva ligna succidentem: alligata levare temptavit, quae dum videret gravia, dissolvit et magis apposuit. Tunc erant magis onerosa: ad huc pl...
by TonyLoco23
Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Dealing with words that have more than 5 meanings
Replies: 7
Views: 8520

Re: Dealing with words that have more than 5 meanings

The hardest ones are those connected with the verb 'ferre'. I.e. deferre, conferre, referre, adferre, afferre, abferre, proferre, obferre.

Each one of those verbs has at least 5 seperate meanings, and many of them have up to 20.