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by hlawson38
Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:52 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: exercise in Morwood, query
Replies: 16
Views: 710

Re: exercise in Morwood, query

Talking of accents, I take it you can’t do acutes, Hugh. Sharply observed, mwh. The spirit is willing but my proofreading is weak. Further down on Morwood's definite-article exercise, page 126, I find this: 6. τὰς τριήρεις ἀφείλκuσαν κενάς. (Τhucydides 2.93.4) Translation: The ships they towed back...
by hlawson38
Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:57 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: exercise in Morwood, query
Replies: 16
Views: 710

Re: exercise in Morwood, query

Many thanks for the comments and corrections. The repeated definite article is a grammatical feature I'm aware of, but with little understanding. I'll review definite articles in Morwood and in Mastronarde. If not cured by them, I can repair to Smythe. Added later: I make many mistakes of this kind,...
by hlawson38
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:08 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: exercise in Morwood, query
Replies: 16
Views: 710

exercise in Morwood, query

Context: Isolated sentences to translate in Morwood, Oxford Grammar of Classical Greek, p. 126. 3. τὰς ἡδονας θὴρευε τὰς μετὰ δὸξης. (Isocrates, 1.16) Translation: Seek pleasures along with a good reputation. Question: Is it correct that the second τὰς modifies ἡδονας , with which it agrees? Questio...
by hlawson38
Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: need help on inflection
Replies: 5
Views: 262

Re: need help on inflection

Hi, Hugh. Let me ditto Michael's congrats on your progress in Greek. You did something I really like with your Latin, which is, you read substantial portions of Augustine's 'City' and Erasmus's 'Folly', and you read them for content and meaning, not just language-acquisition practice. Therefore I'm...
by hlawson38
Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: need help on inflection
Replies: 5
Views: 262

Re: need help on inflection

Many thanks to Aetos and mwh for those helpful replies, and especially for placing the matter in the perspective of the evolving language.
by hlawson38
Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: need help on inflection
Replies: 5
Views: 262

need help on inflection

While working my way very slowly through Mastronarde's textbook, I study one verse a day from the gospel according to John. This is in book one. The context is that Jesus has met somebody, and they ask him where he is staying. 39 λέγει αὐτοῖς · Ἔρχεσθε καὶ ὄψεσθε. ἦλθαν οὖν καὶ εἶδαν ποῦ μένει, καὶ ...
by hlawson38
Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: searching ancient Greek text in Chromium browser
Replies: 5
Views: 516

Re: searching ancient Greek text in Chromium browser

Many thanks Aetos. logeion looks great!

The betacode requirement in Perseus is another thing to learn when there is already so much.

Perseus, at least for Plato's Apology, gives lexicon information in response to a mouse click. That's very impressive too.
by hlawson38
Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:46 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: searching ancient Greek text in Chromium browser
Replies: 5
Views: 516

searching ancient Greek text in Chromium browser

Chromium browser appears to ignore accents while searching in Greek texts. Because my Greek typing is poor, that is a good thing for me. Here's how I tested in Linux. I loaded a text file containing Mastronarde's list of principal parts into the Chromium browser. Next, I changed the input method to ...
by hlawson38
Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:33 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Vocabulary Books?
Replies: 9
Views: 958

Re: Latin Vocabulary Books?

Whitaker's Words is also a useful app available for Android. I don't know if it is available for iphone. Unlike the Lewis and Short app, which requires the dictionary entry of a word (i.e. nominative singular, 1st person present active indicative, etc.), with Whitaker's Words you can enter any form...
by hlawson38
Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:49 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Vocabulary Books?
Replies: 9
Views: 958

Re: Latin Vocabulary Books?

Hi, Does anyone have recommendations of good Latin vocabulary books (Latin-English)? You can find apps for Lewis and Short for both Android and iPhone. I find Traupman's Latin-English student dictionary helpful, especially while away from my desk. It's small, low-cost (Bantam), and it has handy gra...
by hlawson38
Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:41 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Morwood, Oxford Grammar
Replies: 4
Views: 576

Re: Morwood, Oxford Grammar

For RandyGibbons: I've been slowly making my way through Mastronarde, about 1/2 way now. I have a key to Mastronarde, so that's OK, even if the detail is daunting; but I'm also trying to find my way around in Morwood in order to have a quick reference. I can't find a key to Morwood's exercises. For ...
by hlawson38
Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:23 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Morwood, Oxford Grammar
Replies: 4
Views: 576

Morwood, Oxford Grammar

This is a sentence to translate in Morwood, Oxford Grammar of Classical Greek, p. 129, no. 1, Practice Sentences. Ἦν δέ τις ἐν τῇ στρατιᾷ Ξενοφῶν Ἀθηναῖος, ὃς οὔτε στρατηγὸς οὔτε λοχαγὸς οὔτε στρατιώτης ὢν συνηκολούθει. . . Translation: "There was a man with [ἐν]the army Xenophon an Athenian, who, n...
by hlawson38
Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1247

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

Having established clarity, I hate to see the waters muddied again, but ... You have to distinguish between the dative with and without a preposition. In the passage in question, it is with a preposition, isdem in erratis , with the preposition omitted in the relative clause precisely as per the Gr...
by hlawson38
Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:54 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1247

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

Here I reprint the passage in question: quae sunt isdem in erratis fere quibus ea, quae de Platone dicimus Following a hint from Constantinus Philo, I believe I find a grammar citation for this quibus in Allen and Greenough at #384: The dative is used with adjectives (and a few Adverbs) of fitness, ...
by hlawson38
Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:21 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1247

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

quae sunt isdem in erratis fere quibus ea, quae de Platone dicimus . . . . perhaps you're not seeing the sequence of three relative clauses. . . . That is it exactly. I did not apprehend quibus . . . ea as a separate relative clause, reusing the verb sunt . RG quoted me: "sunt is the verb of this c...
by hlawson38
Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:14 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1247

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

I'm still struggling with the last clause. I don't get the pronouns. I translated that clause by speculating what the words must mean, but I don't understand in detail how the words produce the meaning. Atque etiam Xenophon paucioribus verbis eadem fere peccat; facit enim in his, quae a Socrate dict...
by hlawson38
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:44 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Is this called reading Caesar?
Replies: 35
Views: 6733

Re: Is this called reading Caesar?

Picturing myself in Hale or Sweet's classroom makes me wish I was learning Latin all over again. Because I think I would have been learning Latin, not the Latin equivalent of English. Do either of you (danbek and HumilisAuditor) or does anyone else happen to know if Sweet's textbook or at least his...
by hlawson38
Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:28 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1247

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

As I read it, Velleius is meant to represent a dogmatic fathead Euripidean. Obviously you meant “Epicurean.” But I would take exception to your characterization. Dogmatic maybe—that’s in the nature of the whole dialogue—but there’s nothing fatheaded about Velleius, nor does Cicero represent his vie...
by hlawson38
Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:48 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1247

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

Many thanks to Barry, Constantinus, and Randy for all their work. I need to study those answers.
by hlawson38
Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:20 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: nam miseris amicis adfuisse laudabile est
Replies: 5
Views: 705

Re: nam miseris amicis adfuisse laudabile est

I usually ask questions, but I will hazard a grammatical explanation for the perfect tense of adfuisse. Allen and Greenough say this, at #486: Except in Indirect Discourse, only the Present and Perfect Infinitives are used. The Present represents the action of the verb as in progress without distinc...
by hlawson38
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:46 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1247

Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

Context: Cicero has introduced the problem of the nature of the gods. Do they exist? Are they concerned about human beings? Then he begins his narration of a conversation on this subject, the first speaker being Velleius. As I read it, Velleius is meant to represent a dogmatic fathead Euripidean. Ve...
by hlawson38
Wed May 29, 2019 3:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Mastronarde, Unit 22, Sentences for Reading, number 2.
Replies: 3
Views: 462

Re: Mastronarde, Unit 22, Sentences for Reading, number 2.

Many thanks to donhamiltonx and Seneca2008. I must have studied neuter plural subjects' taking singular verbs, and later forgotten it. I had no idea where I had gone wrong.
by hlawson38
Wed May 29, 2019 2:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Mastronarde, Unit 22, Sentences for Reading, number 2.
Replies: 3
Views: 462

Mastronarde, Unit 22, Sentences for Reading, number 2.

My bafflement is caused by the verb ἐστιν . I believe I've overlooked a point of grammar or usage that would explain things. 2. πῶς ὑμῖν τὰ ἀληθῆ λέξω, ἐπεὶ δεινά ἐστιν ἅ με δεῖ ἀγγεῖλαι; I want to translate thus: How shall I tell you the true-facts, when there are terrible things (δεινὰ ἐστιν )that...
by hlawson38
Wed May 01, 2019 8:41 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Empta intercessione
Replies: 5
Views: 916

Re: Empta intercessione

Many thanks Barry. For me, the technical meaning of divisa est was hard to find. In addition, I hesitated for a time over the antecedent of omnium. Finally it took me a while to work up a satisfactory reading of postulante ...quo.
by hlawson38
Wed May 01, 2019 1:35 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Empta intercessione
Replies: 5
Views: 916

Re: Empta intercessione

From Cicero's Pro Milone 14: divisa sententia est postulante nescio quo—nihil enim necesse est omnium me flagitia proferre—sic reliqua auctoritas senatus empta intercessione sublata est. Because I had to work hard on this quotation, I present a trial translation for correction. At the demand of som...
by hlawson38
Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:43 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Is this called reading Caesar?
Replies: 35
Views: 6733

Re: Is this called reading Caesar?

Here are some things that helped me. 1. Write out by hand the paradigms again and again. 2. Speak the paradigms aloud, in a singsong way. 3. I nearly always read the Loeb Classical Library texts. At first I covered the English translation with a card, but now I've learned, by focusing my attention o...
by hlawson38
Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:48 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: quo v. qua as "where" words
Replies: 22
Views: 2050

Re: quo v. qua as "where" words

On quo and qua , here is another query. Many years ago a cartoon pictured a taxicab driver asking a potential customer, " Quo vadis , Mac?" Is that correct Latin for, "Where to, Mac?", with an expected answer of, for example, "Carnegie Hall"? Now, suppose the customer wants to know by what route the...
by hlawson38
Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:01 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: quo v. qua as "where" words
Replies: 22
Views: 2050

Re: quo v. qua as "where" words

Hylander wrote:
See Allen & Greenough 152 for a complete list of correlatives:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... 99.04.0001
Thank you for the helpful reference, Hylander.
by hlawson38
Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:34 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii
Replies: 4
Views: 632

Re: Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii

Randy Gibbons wrote: I didn't get this either before looking at the translation. First, if you (and I) didn't get that the preceding ipso was God, then we were less likely to see that this ipse is God too, which of course it is! Everything in your post is worth my study, Randy, but here you identify...
by hlawson38
Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:48 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: quo v. qua as "where" words
Replies: 22
Views: 2050

Re: quo v. qua as "where" words

Constantinus Philo wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:25 pm
Sorry what is OLD?
Oxford Latin Dictionary. See Amazon for information.
by hlawson38
Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii
Replies: 4
Views: 632

Re: Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii

et illic discere ex ipso, quod cunctam naturam, quae non est quod ipse, non fecit nisi ipse Hi Hugh. I'm not sure where you're stumbling, grammatically, on this. (Not that I was sure of the meaning until I checked my Dyson translation.) Could you go through the phrase word by word and pinpoint wher...
by hlawson38
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: quo v. qua as "where" words
Replies: 22
Views: 2050

quo v. qua as "where" words

Augustine, Book XI, Ch. ii. Quoniam si inter eum qui tendit et illud quo tendit via media est, spes est perveniendi; si autem desit aut ignoretur qua eundum sit, quid prodest nosse quo eundum sit? Translation: Because if between the man who presses on and the destination [quo tendit] a connecting pa...
by hlawson38
Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii
Replies: 4
Views: 632

Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii

Context: In the first ten books Augustine refuted the polytheistic writers and the neoPlatonists. In book 11, he begins his own account of the origin and course of the division of the world between the City of God and the city of man. In this sentence he seems to set forth a means by which humans ca...
by hlawson38
Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:54 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitate dei, book X, chapter 13: "non est hoc quod ipsa"
Replies: 7
Views: 933

Re: Augustine, de civitate dei, book X, chapter 13: "non est hoc quod ipsa"

No this use of quod is not a grecism. See Hylander’s explanation of hoc above. And erat not est because the species in question (God’s appearance to humans) happened in the past. @hlawson: quod can be the neuter singular (nom. or acc.) of the relative pronoun, or it can be a conjunction meaning (ro...
by hlawson38
Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitate dei, book X, chapter 13: "non est hoc quod ipsa"
Replies: 7
Views: 933

Re: Augustine, de civitate dei, book X, chapter 13: "non est hoc quod ipsa"

Basically, you have this right. The sound is not the thing [ hoc ] that [the thought] itself is, i.e., the sound is not the same thing as the thought. Hoc is neuter even though sonus is masculine because the sound is conceived of here as an abstract thing. The second phrase, species . . . non erat ...
by hlawson38
Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:15 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitate dei, book X, chapter 13: "non est hoc quod ipsa"
Replies: 7
Views: 933

Augustine, de civitate dei, book X, chapter 13: "non est hoc quod ipsa"

Context: Augustine declares that when God appeared to men, that appearance was shaped by Him to be accessible to the limited human understanding. Nec mouere debet, quod, cum sit inuisibilis, saepe uisibiliter patribus apparuisse memoratur. Sicut enim sonus, quo auditur sententia in silentio intelleg...
by hlawson38
Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:06 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Terence, Adelfoi 290
Replies: 3
Views: 549

Re: Terence, Adelfoi 290

Here is an interesting place from Terence's Adelfoi 270 act2 scene4 Oh mi germane ah vereor coram in os te laudari amplius ne id adsentandi magis quam quo habeam gratum facere existimes My question is: what is this quo? Also, is it common for accusativus cum infinitivo to omit its acc., as is the c...
by hlawson38
Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:55 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: sine, quaeso, inspiciam
Replies: 6
Views: 877

Re: sine, quaeso, inspiciam

I find William Whitaker's Words program helpful when I don't know the correct headword (dictionary lookup word). An online version of Words is accessible here: https://latin.ucant.org/ For your word, here is the output, which shows that there is still some work needed to pick out the proper dictiona...
by hlawson38
Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:22 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: de civitate dei, book X, chapter v, lost in the pronouns
Replies: 0
Views: 405

de civitate dei, book X, chapter v, lost in the pronouns

Context: Augustine explains that Christian ritual performs "outward signs of inward grace," to use the words familiar to me. He quotes the Psalmist, speaking to God: "If You had wanted sacrifices, I would have performed them; [but] You don't want burnt offerings [of dead animals]. The [proper] sacri...