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by hlawson38
Wed May 01, 2019 8:41 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Empta intercessione
Replies: 5
Views: 248

Re: Empta intercessione

Many thanks Barry. For me, the technical meaning of divisa est was hard to find. In addition, I hesitated for a time over the antecedent of omnium. Finally it took me a while to work up a satisfactory reading of postulante ...quo.
by hlawson38
Wed May 01, 2019 1:35 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Empta intercessione
Replies: 5
Views: 248

Re: Empta intercessione

From Cicero's Pro Milone 14: divisa sententia est postulante nescio quo—nihil enim necesse est omnium me flagitia proferre—sic reliqua auctoritas senatus empta intercessione sublata est. Because I had to work hard on this quotation, I present a trial translation for correction. At the demand of som...
by hlawson38
Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:43 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Is this called reading Caesar?
Replies: 32
Views: 3609

Re: Is this called reading Caesar?

Here are some things that helped me. 1. Write out by hand the paradigms again and again. 2. Speak the paradigms aloud, in a singsong way. 3. I nearly always read the Loeb Classical Library texts. At first I covered the English translation with a card, but now I've learned, by focusing my attention o...
by hlawson38
Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:48 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: quo v. qua as "where" words
Replies: 22
Views: 697

Re: quo v. qua as "where" words

On quo and qua , here is another query. Many years ago a cartoon pictured a taxicab driver asking a potential customer, " Quo vadis , Mac?" Is that correct Latin for, "Where to, Mac?", with an expected answer of, for example, "Carnegie Hall"? Now, suppose the customer wants to know by what route the...
by hlawson38
Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:01 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: quo v. qua as "where" words
Replies: 22
Views: 697

Re: quo v. qua as "where" words

Hylander wrote:
See Allen & Greenough 152 for a complete list of correlatives:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... 99.04.0001
Thank you for the helpful reference, Hylander.
by hlawson38
Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:34 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii
Replies: 4
Views: 243

Re: Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii

Randy Gibbons wrote: I didn't get this either before looking at the translation. First, if you (and I) didn't get that the preceding ipso was God, then we were less likely to see that this ipse is God too, which of course it is! Everything in your post is worth my study, Randy, but here you identify...
by hlawson38
Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:48 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: quo v. qua as "where" words
Replies: 22
Views: 697

Re: quo v. qua as "where" words

Constantinus Philo wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:25 pm
Sorry what is OLD?
Oxford Latin Dictionary. See Amazon for information.
by hlawson38
Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii
Replies: 4
Views: 243

Re: Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii

et illic discere ex ipso, quod cunctam naturam, quae non est quod ipse, non fecit nisi ipse Hi Hugh. I'm not sure where you're stumbling, grammatically, on this. (Not that I was sure of the meaning until I checked my Dyson translation.) Could you go through the phrase word by word and pinpoint wher...
by hlawson38
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: quo v. qua as "where" words
Replies: 22
Views: 697

quo v. qua as "where" words

Augustine, Book XI, Ch. ii. Quoniam si inter eum qui tendit et illud quo tendit via media est, spes est perveniendi; si autem desit aut ignoretur qua eundum sit, quid prodest nosse quo eundum sit? Translation: Because if between the man who presses on and the destination [quo tendit] a connecting pa...
by hlawson38
Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii
Replies: 4
Views: 243

Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii

Context: In the first ten books Augustine refuted the polytheistic writers and the neoPlatonists. In book 11, he begins his own account of the origin and course of the division of the world between the City of God and the city of man. In this sentence he seems to set forth a means by which humans ca...
by hlawson38
Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:54 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitate dei, book X, chapter 13: "non est hoc quod ipsa"
Replies: 7
Views: 412

Re: Augustine, de civitate dei, book X, chapter 13: "non est hoc quod ipsa"

No this use of quod is not a grecism. See Hylander’s explanation of hoc above. And erat not est because the species in question (God’s appearance to humans) happened in the past. @hlawson: quod can be the neuter singular (nom. or acc.) of the relative pronoun, or it can be a conjunction meaning (ro...
by hlawson38
Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitate dei, book X, chapter 13: "non est hoc quod ipsa"
Replies: 7
Views: 412

Re: Augustine, de civitate dei, book X, chapter 13: "non est hoc quod ipsa"

Basically, you have this right. The sound is not the thing [ hoc ] that [the thought] itself is, i.e., the sound is not the same thing as the thought. Hoc is neuter even though sonus is masculine because the sound is conceived of here as an abstract thing. The second phrase, species . . . non erat ...
by hlawson38
Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:15 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitate dei, book X, chapter 13: "non est hoc quod ipsa"
Replies: 7
Views: 412

Augustine, de civitate dei, book X, chapter 13: "non est hoc quod ipsa"

Context: Augustine declares that when God appeared to men, that appearance was shaped by Him to be accessible to the limited human understanding. Nec mouere debet, quod, cum sit inuisibilis, saepe uisibiliter patribus apparuisse memoratur. Sicut enim sonus, quo auditur sententia in silentio intelleg...
by hlawson38
Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:06 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Terence, Adelfoi 290
Replies: 3
Views: 275

Re: Terence, Adelfoi 290

Here is an interesting place from Terence's Adelfoi 270 act2 scene4 Oh mi germane ah vereor coram in os te laudari amplius ne id adsentandi magis quam quo habeam gratum facere existimes My question is: what is this quo? Also, is it common for accusativus cum infinitivo to omit its acc., as is the c...
by hlawson38
Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:55 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: sine, quaeso, inspiciam
Replies: 6
Views: 439

Re: sine, quaeso, inspiciam

I find William Whitaker's Words program helpful when I don't know the correct headword (dictionary lookup word). An online version of Words is accessible here: https://latin.ucant.org/ For your word, here is the output, which shows that there is still some work needed to pick out the proper dictiona...
by hlawson38
Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:22 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: de civitate dei, book X, chapter v, lost in the pronouns
Replies: 0
Views: 204

de civitate dei, book X, chapter v, lost in the pronouns

Context: Augustine explains that Christian ritual performs "outward signs of inward grace," to use the words familiar to me. He quotes the Psalmist, speaking to God: "If You had wanted sacrifices, I would have performed them; [but] You don't want burnt offerings [of dead animals]. The [proper] sacri...
by hlawson38
Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Aug. de civitate dei
Replies: 5
Views: 364

Re: Aug. de civitate dei

Just a very minor point, which you may or may not be aware of: iste, at least in clossical Latin, is often contemptuous. Thanks to Hylander for that comment on iste . Best I can recall, Augustine used iste pretty consistently for Varro, whose pagan theology is often the target of derisive criticism...
by hlawson38
Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:58 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Aug. de civitate dei
Replies: 5
Views: 364

Aug. de civitate dei

My present Latin project is to read as much of Augustine's 2nd most famous book as I can stand. By sticking with one author for a while, I hope to reduce the dictionary work and focus more on other matters. I'm at about book 10, maybe 2/5 of the way through. I'm getting a good workout on non-fiction...
by hlawson38
Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:10 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: qua . . . quaestione; Augustine, de civitate dei, Book IX, ch. vi
Replies: 3
Views: 304

Re: qua . . . quaestione; Augustine, de civitate dei, Book IX, ch. vi

Thanks to Hylander and mwh for their replies.

1. "those waves of passion": Thanks mwh.

2. qua . . . questione: Thanks to Hylander for the grammar point and the A&G citation, and to mwh for the commentary.
by hlawson38
Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:14 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: qua . . . quaestione; Augustine, de civitate dei, Book IX, ch. vi
Replies: 3
Views: 304

qua . . . quaestione; Augustine, de civitate dei, Book IX, ch. vi

Context: My difficulty is the first word in the sentence under study, qua. I can't provide a grammatical rationale for it, and I can't find a way to look it up. Here Augustine continues to attack the pagan ideas about daemones. Augustine interrupts a previous discussion of angels, in order to renew ...
by hlawson38
Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:25 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: relative pronoun used as demonstrative pronoun
Replies: 3
Views: 297

Re: relative pronoun used as demonstrative pronoun

Thanks hlawson38. I'd forgotten (more accurately: never memorized properly) that "quae" is also neuter plural. So in both cases, this and these, are referring back to a genderless situation and take the neuter. I still wonder if this is a general principle. And is it included in your quote from A&G...
by hlawson38
Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:39 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: relative pronoun used as demonstrative pronoun
Replies: 3
Views: 297

Re: relative pronoun used as demonstrative pronoun

Nutting exercise 62: Indi in silvam properaverunt. Quod cum vidissent... (translated as The Indians hurried into the forest. When the farmers saw this....). I understand that the relative pronoun "quod" is in the accusative (as a direct object of vidissent), but how does one determine the gender of...
by hlawson38
Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:26 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: "ut non deteriores dicam", Aug. de civitate dei, IX, iii
Replies: 2
Views: 313

Re: "ut non deteriores dicam", Aug. de civitate dei, IX, iii

It picks up stultis et iniustis: “(I say stulti and iniusti) in such a way that I don’t say deteriores” etc. It’s a result clause, but it’s not that different from a purpose clause with ne. It's rhetorical. Pragmatically he’s suggesting that they’re even worse than merely stulti et iniusti, since t...
by hlawson38
Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:45 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: "ut non deteriores dicam", Aug. de civitate dei, IX, iii
Replies: 2
Views: 313

"ut non deteriores dicam", Aug. de civitate dei, IX, iii

The phrase in question appears in one of Augustine's long sentences. Context: In ancient times, many believed it a fact that spirits existed, whom humans might ask for intercession with yet more powerful divinities. Augustine declares that such spirits are evil, and that venerating them interferes w...
by hlawson38
Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:25 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam., XIV, 130ff.
Replies: 9
Views: 916

Re: Ovid, Metam., XIV, 130ff.

Many thanks to Aetos for his offering, even though I believe Aetos and I should study Hylander's careful reply.

I'll be spending time on that study.
by hlawson38
Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:36 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam., XIV, 130ff.
Replies: 9
Views: 916

Ovid, Metam., XIV, 130ff.

Sybil replies to the thanks of Aeneas, whom she has just guided into and out of the Underworld. In his thanks, Aeneas confessed uncertainty whether she might be human or divine. 'nec dea sum,' dixit 'nec sacri turis honore 130 humanum dignare caput, neu nescius erres, lux aeterna mihi carituraque fi...
by hlawson38
Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:42 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: non-latin-specific query about Ovid Metam.
Replies: 2
Views: 558

Re: non-latin-specific query about Ovid Metam.

Ovid often tells his stories from unusual and unexpected perspectives (even though his versions of myths have become canonical). Among other things, he takes bald myths and invests them with human details (even when the protagonists are gods) that bring the characters to life. Two small examples: J...
by hlawson38
Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:46 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: non-latin-specific query about Ovid Metam.
Replies: 2
Views: 558

non-latin-specific query about Ovid Metam.

Ovid's transformed beings often describe the way they experienced transformation. In the fairy tales I've encountered before, the transformation is usually described externally; hence, for me, these subjective accounts in Ovid are striking. Is this concern for the subjective experience of transforma...
by hlawson38
Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:01 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: use browser to study Latin composition
Replies: 0
Views: 888

use browser to study Latin composition

I use the Chrome browser, which "just works" to display a pdf file in a Chrome tab. Step 1: I load the North and HIllard Latin composition book in one Chrome tab, and then load the corresponding answer key into another tab. Step 3: I load an online English-->Latin dictionary into a separate tab. Now...
by hlawson38
Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:07 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Question about possessive pronouns
Replies: 20
Views: 2133

Re: Question about possessive pronouns

I want to show a use of tuus that baffled me, and my proposed solution. Context: In Metamorphoses, Book 13, line 210 f., Ulysses continues to brag about his war record, while disparaging that of Ajax. First Ulysses notes that for the first nine years the Trojans kept within their walls, with little ...
by hlawson38
Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:50 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam., XIII, ll. 177-180
Replies: 10
Views: 1331

Re: Ovid, Metam., XIII, ll. 177-180

Hylander wrote: qui saevum perdere posset Hectora, nempe dedi: -- "surely I gave [i.e., I am responsible for bringing to Troy him] who was able to destroy savage Hector" The verb of the relative clause is singular, so it doesn't depend on alios. The antecedent is understood, not explicitly stated, a...
by hlawson38
Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:29 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam., XIII, ll. 177-180
Replies: 10
Views: 1331

Ovid, Metam., XIII, ll. 177-180

Context: In the debate over who should now bear the weapons of the slain Achilles, Ajax or Ulysses, now the latter is speaking. He reminds the assembled Greeks that he was the one who identified Achilles, whose mother had dressed him as a girl, to save Achilles from war and prophesied death. Ulysses...
by hlawson38
Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:10 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam., XIII, about line 12, ff.
Replies: 3
Views: 840

Re: Ovid, Metam., XIII, about line 12, ff.

Thanks to Hylander and mwh for their comments. I had a lot of trouble with this passage, and in fact edited the post a couple of times after I had submitted it.
by hlawson38
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:42 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam., XIII, about line 12, ff.
Replies: 3
Views: 840

Ovid, Metam., XIII, about line 12, ff.

Context: Ajax with extreme contempt continues insulting Ulysses for a coward in order to show that Ajax, and not Ulysses, is worthy to bear the arms of the great Achilles. Starting about line 112, not 12. I don't know how to edit the subject line. debilitaturum quid te petis, Improbe, munus? Quod ti...
by hlawson38
Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:38 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.
Replies: 16
Views: 2412

Re: Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.

Many thanks, Aetos, for the encouragement.
by hlawson38
Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:41 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.
Replies: 16
Views: 2412

Re: Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.

Many thanks Hylander for those remarks.

Poetry remains extremely difficult for me.
by hlawson38
Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:44 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.
Replies: 16
Views: 2412

Re: Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.

Here is the quotation that baffled me, which Hylander clarified. praemia magna peti fateor; sed demit honorem aemulus: Aiaci non est tenuisse superbum, sit licet hoc ingens, quicquid speravit Ulixes; iste tulit pretium iam nunc temptaminis huius, quod, cum victus erit, mecum certasse feretur. I want...
by hlawson38
Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:36 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.
Replies: 16
Views: 2412

Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.

Context: Before the Greek nobles, Ajax debates Ulixes on the question, which one should bear the arms of the absent Achilles: praemia magna peti fateor; sed demit honorem aemulus: Aiaci non est tenuisse superbum, sit licet hoc ingens, quicquid speravit Ulixes; iste tulit pretium iam nunc temptaminis...
by hlawson38
Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:20 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: idiom: quanti pendenda
Replies: 1
Views: 691

idiom: quanti pendenda

Augustine, de civita dei, book VII, ch v Augustine continues to hammer pagan religious ideas, in particular those of Varro, concerning the relationship between the religion of natural philosophy and the civil religion of the Roman state. Verum ista mysteria doctrinae qualia sint quantique pendenda, ...
by hlawson38
Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:49 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Seneca EM 7.5
Replies: 7
Views: 1251

Re: Seneca EM 7.5

Very helpful thread!