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by hlawson38
Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:25 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam., XIV, 130ff.
Replies: 9
Views: 519

Re: Ovid, Metam., XIV, 130ff.

Many thanks to Aetos for his offering, even though I believe Aetos and I should study Hylander's careful reply.

I'll be spending time on that study.
by hlawson38
Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:36 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam., XIV, 130ff.
Replies: 9
Views: 519

Ovid, Metam., XIV, 130ff.

Sybil replies to the thanks of Aeneas, whom she has just guided into and out of the Underworld. In his thanks, Aeneas confessed uncertainty whether she might be human or divine. 'nec dea sum,' dixit 'nec sacri turis honore 130 humanum dignare caput, neu nescius erres, lux aeterna mihi carituraque fi...
by hlawson38
Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:42 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: non-latin-specific query about Ovid Metam.
Replies: 2
Views: 365

Re: non-latin-specific query about Ovid Metam.

Ovid often tells his stories from unusual and unexpected perspectives (even though his versions of myths have become canonical). Among other things, he takes bald myths and invests them with human details (even when the protagonists are gods) that bring the characters to life. Two small examples: J...
by hlawson38
Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:46 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: non-latin-specific query about Ovid Metam.
Replies: 2
Views: 365

non-latin-specific query about Ovid Metam.

Ovid's transformed beings often describe the way they experienced transformation. In the fairy tales I've encountered before, the transformation is usually described externally; hence, for me, these subjective accounts in Ovid are striking. Is this concern for the subjective experience of transforma...
by hlawson38
Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:01 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: use browser to study Latin composition
Replies: 0
Views: 754

use browser to study Latin composition

I use the Chrome browser, which "just works" to display a pdf file in a Chrome tab. Step 1: I load the North and HIllard Latin composition book in one Chrome tab, and then load the corresponding answer key into another tab. Step 3: I load an online English-->Latin dictionary into a separate tab. Now...
by hlawson38
Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:07 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Question about possessive pronouns
Replies: 20
Views: 1290

Re: Question about possessive pronouns

I want to show a use of tuus that baffled me, and my proposed solution. Context: In Metamorphoses, Book 13, line 210 f., Ulysses continues to brag about his war record, while disparaging that of Ajax. First Ulysses notes that for the first nine years the Trojans kept within their walls, with little ...
by hlawson38
Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:50 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam., XIII, ll. 177-180
Replies: 10
Views: 924

Re: Ovid, Metam., XIII, ll. 177-180

Hylander wrote: qui saevum perdere posset Hectora, nempe dedi: -- "surely I gave [i.e., I am responsible for bringing to Troy him] who was able to destroy savage Hector" The verb of the relative clause is singular, so it doesn't depend on alios. The antecedent is understood, not explicitly stated, a...
by hlawson38
Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:29 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam., XIII, ll. 177-180
Replies: 10
Views: 924

Ovid, Metam., XIII, ll. 177-180

Context: In the debate over who should now bear the weapons of the slain Achilles, Ajax or Ulysses, now the latter is speaking. He reminds the assembled Greeks that he was the one who identified Achilles, whose mother had dressed him as a girl, to save Achilles from war and prophesied death. Ulysses...
by hlawson38
Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:10 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam., XIII, about line 12, ff.
Replies: 3
Views: 622

Re: Ovid, Metam., XIII, about line 12, ff.

Thanks to Hylander and mwh for their comments. I had a lot of trouble with this passage, and in fact edited the post a couple of times after I had submitted it.
by hlawson38
Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:42 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam., XIII, about line 12, ff.
Replies: 3
Views: 622

Ovid, Metam., XIII, about line 12, ff.

Context: Ajax with extreme contempt continues insulting Ulysses for a coward in order to show that Ajax, and not Ulysses, is worthy to bear the arms of the great Achilles. Starting about line 112, not 12. I don't know how to edit the subject line. debilitaturum quid te petis, Improbe, munus? Quod ti...
by hlawson38
Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:38 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.
Replies: 16
Views: 1087

Re: Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.

Many thanks, Aetos, for the encouragement.
by hlawson38
Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:41 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.
Replies: 16
Views: 1087

Re: Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.

Many thanks Hylander for those remarks.

Poetry remains extremely difficult for me.
by hlawson38
Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:44 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.
Replies: 16
Views: 1087

Re: Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.

Here is the quotation that baffled me, which Hylander clarified. praemia magna peti fateor; sed demit honorem aemulus: Aiaci non est tenuisse superbum, sit licet hoc ingens, quicquid speravit Ulixes; iste tulit pretium iam nunc temptaminis huius, quod, cum victus erit, mecum certasse feretur. I want...
by hlawson38
Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:36 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.
Replies: 16
Views: 1087

Ovid, Metam. XIII, ln. 16 ff.

Context: Before the Greek nobles, Ajax debates Ulixes on the question, which one should bear the arms of the absent Achilles: praemia magna peti fateor; sed demit honorem aemulus: Aiaci non est tenuisse superbum, sit licet hoc ingens, quicquid speravit Ulixes; iste tulit pretium iam nunc temptaminis...
by hlawson38
Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:20 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: idiom: quanti pendenda
Replies: 1
Views: 560

idiom: quanti pendenda

Augustine, de civita dei, book VII, ch v Augustine continues to hammer pagan religious ideas, in particular those of Varro, concerning the relationship between the religion of natural philosophy and the civil religion of the Roman state. Verum ista mysteria doctrinae qualia sint quantique pendenda, ...
by hlawson38
Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:49 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Seneca EM 7.5
Replies: 7
Views: 912

Re: Seneca EM 7.5

Very helpful thread!
by hlawson38
Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:01 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, b. 5, ch. 26 use of quod
Replies: 3
Views: 789

Re: Augustine, City of God, b. 5, ch. 26 use of quod

Quotation repeated for ease of reference: Deinde ad me perlatum est, quod iam scripserint, sed tempus quaerant, quo sine periculo possint edere. Quos admoneo, non optent quod eis non expedit. Facile est enim cuiquam uideri respondisse, qui tacere noluerit. Aut quid est loquacius uanitate? quae non i...
by hlawson38
Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:22 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, b. 5, ch. 26 use of quod
Replies: 3
Views: 789

Augustine, City of God, b. 5, ch. 26 use of quod

Context: Augustine addresses disparagingly actual or possible critics of the principles he has laid down in the first five books of City of God. Deinde ad me perlatum est, quod iam scripserint, sed tempus quaerant, quo sine periculo possint edere. Quos admoneo, non optent quod eis non expedit. Facil...
by hlawson38
Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitate dei, V, ch.2
Replies: 6
Views: 936

Re: Augustine, de civitate dei, V, ch.2

Nesrad wrote:It is indeed an abl. abs., but as to the voice, I'm not sure how you'd qualify it grammatically in this instance.
Thank you Nesrad. I see your point on voice.
by hlawson38
Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:33 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitate dei, V, ch.2
Replies: 6
Views: 936

Re: Augustine, de civitate dei, V, ch.2

Thank you Nesrad. Let me add another question. consecutis ex materno corpore prioribus incrementis paris ualetudinis nascerentur; After further thought, I want to construe consecutis . . . prioribus incrementis as an ablative absolute, with consecutis as active in meaning. So that phrase literally I...
by hlawson38
Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:18 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitate dei, V, ch.2
Replies: 6
Views: 936

Augustine, de civitate dei, V, ch.2

Context: Augustine compares two theories about the similarity of twins: first, the astrologers' doctrine that the stars make them alike, because they are born at the same time, and second, because they have the same parents, and are born from the same mother, their physical traits are similar. In ha...
by hlawson38
Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:27 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, Book4, ch. 28
Replies: 15
Views: 1100

Re: Augustine, City of God, Book4, ch. 28

Thanks to Hylander for the explanation and the reference to no. 572 in Allen and Greenough. I see now that had I looked under "quod" in the A&G index I might have found it, but I also might not have understood the relevance. Incidentally, a brief discussion of the same point appears in Moreland and ...
by hlawson38
Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:16 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, Book4, ch. 28
Replies: 15
Views: 1100

Re: Augustine, City of God, Book4, ch. 27

Randy Gibbons wrote: (Hugh - At least in the editions I've looked at, this quote is from chapter 27, not 28.) Much thanks to Randy for the correction. Now I restate the quotation: Praeclara religio, quo confugiat liberandus infirmus, et cum ueritatem qua liberetur inquirat, credatur ei expedire quod...
by hlawson38
Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:21 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, Book4, ch. 28
Replies: 15
Views: 1100

Re: Augustine, City of God, Book4, ch. 28

Most helpful, Hylander. Esp. I was having trouble with credatur ei expedire , but your translation presented a meaning credible to me. I wondered, who is the agent of the passive verb credatur ? The second problem was that I had trouble assigning a meaning to expedire , so in my translation I gave i...
by hlawson38
Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:04 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, Book4, ch. 28
Replies: 15
Views: 1100

Augustine, City of God, Book4, ch. 28

Context: Augustine is attacking the traditional polytheistic religion in his day being supplanted by Christianity. He has just cited Varro to the effect that the superstitious beliefs of the common people should not be corrected by the learned. Then Augustine declares: Praeclara religio quo confugia...
by hlawson38
Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:49 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: A Couple Dictionary Questions
Replies: 7
Views: 988

Re: A Couple Dictionary Questions

When you don't know the headword (dictionary lookup word), try this: https://latin.ucant.org/ If you have a smartphone, you can find both iPhone and Android versions that work offline. Look for Whitaker's Words. I have used Traupman's mass-market student dictionary for years. Strong points: cheap; s...
by hlawson38
Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:11 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Looking for: Print edition of Lewis & Short
Replies: 18
Views: 1667

Re: Looking for: Print edition of Lewis & Short

Thanks for mentioning this, Nesrad. This is also my preferred reading posture. I keep nearby an old smartphone with Whitaker's Words and a Lewis & Short app. I also have handy Traupman's paperback student dictionary. My Latin text, usually LCL lies on a clipboard, with a 4x6 unlined notecard, or a ...
by hlawson38
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:21 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2
Replies: 36
Views: 2256

Re: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2

I don't recall mention here of McClardy's Caesar Completely Parsed.

It's like the Olympic Champion of what my h.s. Latin teacher called ponies, elsewhere called trots I believe.

https://archive.org/details/Commentarie ... arsedBookI
by hlawson38
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:13 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Looking for: Print edition of Lewis & Short
Replies: 18
Views: 1667

Re: Looking for: Print edition of Lewis & Short

I've never used Traupman, does it have many examples? I also use the Gaffiot pocket edition as often as the ELD, and exclusively for late authors. It's the only compact dictionary I know of that is useful for post-Classical texts, and the translations are really useful, although they take up space ...
by hlawson38
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:58 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Looking for: Print edition of Lewis & Short
Replies: 18
Views: 1667

Re: Looking for: Print edition of Lewis & Short

To each his own, but I would find it quite inconvenient to use either the OLD or L&S for casual reading (multa legere), i.e. kicking up your heels in an armchair and plowing through a given author. It takes too long to scan the entries, and these are heavy, bulky books. Thanks for mentioning this, ...
by hlawson38
Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:18 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2
Replies: 36
Views: 2256

Re: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2

Hugh, I wanted to mention this yesterday but didn't have access to my library. As fyi, the Arthur Tappan Walker 1907 Caesar's Gallic War has an appendix that converts all the indirect discourse in Books 1 and 2 into their direct form. As an exercise some years ago, I attempted my own conversion of ...
by hlawson38
Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:03 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2
Replies: 36
Views: 2256

Re: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2

While looking for more light on this problem, I discovered at the end of Book I this passage, which I had read but forgotten. If I had recalled it, it would have provided helpful context. In this earlier passage, Augustine states the promise that he recalls later in the passage under study in this t...
by hlawson38
Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:25 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2
Replies: 36
Views: 2256

Re: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2

Many thanks to Hylander and Randy for their critiques. It is very good of you to give me this attention.

I need more work before I have this doped out.

Hugh
by hlawson38
Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:37 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2
Replies: 36
Views: 2256

Re: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2

I want to submit, for critique, grammatical rationales for the tense and mood of the verbs in this sentence, as I understand them after some study. I needed some re-learning on this topic. I repeat the quotation for ease of reference. Promiseramus ergo quaedam nos esse dicturos aduersus eos, qui Rom...
by hlawson38
Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:00 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2
Replies: 36
Views: 2256

Re: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2

Thanks to Randy Gibbons the reference, and to Hylander for the lucid explanation which was exactly on point.
by hlawson38
Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:06 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2
Replies: 36
Views: 2256

Re: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2

Many thanks for the comments on this passage, which gave me much trouble. If I ever learned the future perfect of direct speech, I have forgotten it. I'd be most grateful for a reference in Allen and Greenough, or a URL reference to this topic. As for occurrere , I did not know the possible meaning,...
by hlawson38
Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:30 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2
Replies: 36
Views: 2256

Re: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2

Many thanks to Randy, Ser, and Hylander. So many things about this passage puzzled me that I'll forbear reply, and instead spend some time studying the helpful comments they gave. I'm enjoying reading Augustine as a student of history, which lets me enjoy the experience without fretting about whethe...
by hlawson38
Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:18 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2
Replies: 36
Views: 2256

Augustine, City of God, Book 4, ch.2

Context: Augustine recapitulates his work so far, reminding readers that the present purpose is to show that all kinds of disasters befell the Romans in the time before the coming of Christianity. Hence the pagan critics of Christianity are deploying a double standard: they blame Christianity for re...
by hlawson38
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:38 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: imperfect of πειθω?
Replies: 9
Views: 1230

Re: imperfect of πειθω?

Many thanks donhamiltontx and mwh for the comments.
by hlawson38
Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:08 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: imperfect of πειθω?
Replies: 9
Views: 1230

Re: imperfect of πειθω?

The way I found the answer was this: I did a google search on the exact Greek word that was bothering me. Among the hits was a dictionary entry that showed me that I had confused one word with another word. That's my "Hail Mary" play for this kind of problem. I'm curious as to why you'd do a Google...