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by Sesquipedalian
Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:27 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Differentiating male and female Dat. and Abl
Replies: 6
Views: 2322

Differentiating male and female Dat. and Abl

Salvete! My understanding is that with Filius/Filia (Son/Daughter) the use of 'Filiabus' is used in the dative and ablative plural to differentiate it from the masculine 'filiis'. However what happens to other nouns like Discipulus/Discipula? For both of these the dative and ablative plural is disci...
by Sesquipedalian
Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:28 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Stress rules for 'ius/ium' nouns.
Replies: 2
Views: 1718

Re: Stress rules for 'ius/ium' nouns.

Thanks for that Adrianus!

I guess it makes it clearer for distinguishing the vocative and genitive. It's probably one of those things where the evidence is a bit slim both ways and it comes down to personal preference.

Cheers! :)
by Sesquipedalian
Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:58 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Stress rules for 'ius/ium' nouns.
Replies: 2
Views: 1718

Stress rules for 'ius/ium' nouns.

Salve, I have a question in relation to stress for second declension nouns ending in "ius" and "ium" in the genitive and vocative. Some sources, for example Allen and Greenough say to stress the same syllable in the genitive and vocative as in the nominative. So Vergilius with the stress on the 'gi'...
by Sesquipedalian
Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:58 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Pronouncing B as P before S and T.
Replies: 6
Views: 2807

Re: Pronouncing B as P before S and T.

Thank you for clearing that up. That makes sense. Why couldnt you of written Vox Latina Alatius! I often find myself getting bogged down in the details of Allen which leaves me both with a headache, and more confused then when I began. :D
by Sesquipedalian
Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:37 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Pronouncing B as P before S and T.
Replies: 6
Views: 2807

Re: Pronouncing B as P before S and T.

Thank you all for your replies. Allen does not say "ALWAYS", but under THESE special circumstances: "when the voiceless sound occurs at the end of a preposition or noun-stem which, in other environments, ends in a voiced b". So adrianus, this means that if a 'b' comes before an S or T and it is NOT ...
by Sesquipedalian
Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:22 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Pronouncing B as P before S and T.
Replies: 6
Views: 2807

Pronouncing B as P before S and T.

Salvete! I just have a quick question regarding the rule of pronouncing 'B' as a 'P' before S or T. In Vox Latina on page 21, Allen says: In some cases, however, b is written instead of p for the voiceless plosive, namely before the voiceless sounds of t and s under certain special conditions. It is...
by Sesquipedalian
Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:11 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Syllabification.
Replies: 17
Views: 6713

Re: Latin Syllabification.

Thanks for those links Adrianus, very helpful. :D I was thinking of getting the audio for Lingua Latina by Orberg, however some other posts on Textkit were saying his pronunciation can be a bit strange i.e, he uses /v/ instead of /w/ etc? Ohh I just realised after reading Alatius’s comments I might ...
by Sesquipedalian
Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:41 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Syllabification.
Replies: 17
Views: 6713

Re: Latin Syllabification.

Hi Adrianus, Thanks so much for clearing that up! I had a look at Keil and saw some of the examples you mentioned. Very interesting divisions. One of the rules was ‘Never let a syllable end in a consonant if the consonant can possibly be pronounced at the beginning of the next syllable’. This was fo...
by Sesquipedalian
Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:37 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Syllabification.
Replies: 17
Views: 6713

Latin Syllabification.

Hello all, I recently picked up a copy of Vox Latina and have been slowly working my way through it. One thing that struck me as odd was that there was no section on syllabification? Or have I missed something? As I’m interested in the reconstructed classical pronunciation, are there any standardise...
by Sesquipedalian
Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:03 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Classical Alphabet check.
Replies: 2
Views: 1399

Classical Alphabet check.

Hello all, Is it just me or does it seem the more you read the more confusing things can become? I was under the impression that the classical latin alphabet was the same as the modern latin/english alphabet, except that it lacked 'U', 'J' and 'W' ? I was just browsing and came across this quote by ...
by Sesquipedalian
Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:11 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Classical latin alphabet.
Replies: 47
Views: 19673

Classical latin alphabet.

Hello all, I was reading a small introduction webpage from the University of Georgia regarding 'classical latin' and came acrosss this quote: "Except for a few purists, all Latinists today write v for consonantal u. This would have puzzled a Roman, who considered U and V to be the same letter." I do...
by Sesquipedalian
Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:18 am
Forum: Latin For Beginners by D'Ooge
Topic: Pronunciation contradictions between sources?
Replies: 9
Views: 8356

Thanks for the information David, I think Vox Latina will have to be on my to-buy list. What actually makes W.Allen such a big name? Not only on the pronunciation of latin..but he also has Vox Graeca for ancient greek, which many seem to speak highly of. Seems quite rare to have someone be an expert...
by Sesquipedalian
Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:14 am
Forum: Latin For Beginners by D'Ooge
Topic: Pronunciation contradictions between sources?
Replies: 9
Views: 8356

Hello all, Thanks for the information.. cleared a lot of for me. The aspiration part makes a lot of sense now. Ive noticed quite a few people mention Vox Latina and Vox Graeca.. I'm assuming these books are considered the authority on pronunciation? I had a quick look and noticed there are a couple ...
by Sesquipedalian
Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:31 pm
Forum: Latin For Beginners by D'Ooge
Topic: Pronunciation contradictions between sources?
Replies: 9
Views: 8356

Pronunciation contradictions between sources?

Hello all, As a beginner, i’ve got a few questions on ‘classical’ or ‘golden age’ pronunciation. I downloaded Dooge’s Latin for Beginners, and the pronunciation seems reasonably clear (except it doesn’t mention how to pronounce the vowel Y), but as I really want to get my pronunciation correct (or a...
by Sesquipedalian
Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:35 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Homeric Greek pronunciation.
Replies: 14
Views: 17816

I was just going over some Latin on the wheelock website and i noticed when he says the names of the Greek letters they sound quite odd. For example the word Zeta is pronounced Zzdehr’ta .. you can listen to it at the bottom of this page.. http://www.wheelockslatin.com/chapters/introduction/introd...
by Sesquipedalian
Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:51 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Homeric Greek pronunciation.
Replies: 14
Views: 17816

I see...this would be much easier if I could cut and paste Annis's knowledge into my brain *sigh*. From what ive read.."Vox Graeca uses Attic pronunciation? Since I'm going to start with Pharrs Homeric Greek... just curious if they use the same pronunciation..or is there any differences between the ...
by Sesquipedalian
Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:06 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Homeric Greek pronunciation.
Replies: 14
Views: 17816

Hello, Thanks for the links... that link with Stephen Daitz is interesting as he says each letter. He pronounces it how I would. Seems very 'english'. Is this how everyone else pronounces them...Ive actually heard them pronounced radically different to this on some 'ancient greek' sites. This is how...
by Sesquipedalian
Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:46 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Homeric Greek pronunciation.
Replies: 14
Views: 17816

Homeric Greek pronunciation.

Hello all, After getting into Latin i've decided I would also like to get into ancient Greek. After reading around ive decided with Homeric Greek as a starter. However like with Latin, I really want to get my pronunciation sorted before really getting into it. Even though I have Pharrs Homeric Greek...
by Sesquipedalian
Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:54 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How to write/draw greek characters.
Replies: 3
Views: 1347

How to write/draw greek characters.

Hi everyone, this is my first post as I've only just discovered this excellent site after deciding I would like to learn ancient greek and latin. So far I've only been reading about the different styles and transitions the languages have taken through time and just trying to learn a little each day....