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by psilord
Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:36 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: principal parts and what they really mean.
Replies: 13
Views: 15465

Thanks. I appreciate it.
by psilord
Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:32 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: principal parts and what they really mean.
Replies: 13
Views: 15465

Out of curiosity, for a verb, can there be more than one first person singular for a specific principal part in the same dialect of greek?
by psilord
Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:14 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Digital list of principal parts
Replies: 5
Views: 3743

I do intend to create such a book akin to "501 spanish verbs" which will contain all sorts of useful information about the first 501 common verbs in the Homeric corpus. It will have all principal parts of said verbs, plus each possible inflection for all available voices, modes, tenses, including di...
by psilord
Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:05 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Mac Users???
Replies: 23
Views: 6036

It warms my heart to see that the gaudy over-dressing of Java hasn't completely obliterated straightforward C. ((lambda (response) (display (if (equal? response 1) "I love it.\n" "nice try.\n"))) 1) The word that brings me from depression, sounds a lot like s-expression. The winds of change come fo...
by psilord
Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:24 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Digital list of principal parts
Replies: 5
Views: 3743

William,

If you're itching to do this kind of work. Let me know.... :)
by psilord
Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:21 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: genitive absolute
Replies: 11
Views: 11553

Ok, I think I might have enough of an understanding of it to continue my studies.... I might ask more questions later though.

Thank you all for your help. I very much appreciate it.
by psilord
Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:18 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: genitive absolute
Replies: 11
Views: 11553

A genitive absolute is only used when the subject of the genitive absolute has no grammatical relation to the rest of the sentence. So in your first example you cannot use a genitive absolute because the subject in both parts of the sentence are the same. (in greek you just could use a participle, ...
by psilord
Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:11 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: genitive absolute
Replies: 11
Views: 11553

I think my main problem is that while I think I can readily identify a genitive absolute in context, I'm simply not sure what it _means_ grammatically and for what it is used. So far I have think it is used for some kind of condition: --if I get hungry, I prepare food-- or some kind of temporal stat...
by psilord
Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:01 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: genitive absolute
Replies: 11
Views: 11553


by psilord
Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:48 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: genitive absolute
Replies: 11
Views: 11553

genitive absolute

What exactly is the genetive absolute? I've read my Pharr book and the relevant parts in Smyth, but I still can't really figure it out. Could someone show me some (using words from lesson 21 or earlier from the Pharr book) examples of this construction and why it would be used? I appreciate it. Than...
by psilord
Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:27 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: principal parts and what they really mean.
Replies: 13
Views: 15465

However, the point I was making is that these are not standard forms, and do not appear in dictionaries. See, those forms are what I took from the back dictionary of the Pharr textbook for bai/nw. As a beginner, I have no real idea of rarity of anything. I simply shove all of it into my head unless...
by psilord
Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:22 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: principal parts and what they really mean.
Replies: 13
Views: 15465

Re: principal parts and what they really mean.

annis wrote:Take a look at Smyth sec. 367-380, especially 368.
Excellent! That is EXACTLY the information for which I was searching.

Thanks!
by psilord
Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:45 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: principal parts and what they really mean.
Replies: 13
Views: 15465

Re: principal parts and what they really mean.

But don't worry if you don't understand it all at once. This stuff is confusing. There is a kind of system to the formation of the Greek verb, but nothing which is entirely straightforward or easily explained. Mostly you just have to keep working on it and thinking about it, and one day it will all...
by psilord
Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:38 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Ides of March Contest ... let's wrap this up!
Replies: 35
Views: 9546

Greek.
by psilord
Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:04 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: principal parts and what they really mean.
Replies: 13
Views: 15465

principal parts and what they really mean.

[This is an email I was going to send to a friend, but realized that it might be better served being posted here since it could help people realize the importance and *meaning* of the principal part. The "verb grinder" in question is: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~psilord/verb/test.html It'll work if you ...
by psilord
Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:33 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: HELP!
Replies: 5
Views: 1675

William,

Doesn't that mean beef with broccoli?

*snicker*
by psilord
Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:58 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: studying greek
Replies: 8
Views: 4224

Though, don't let me misrepresent Pharr. I do like the book very much and it is excellent in its knowledge and giving you a path to learn the material.

I just wish I had a workbook with it with far more excersizes to cement all of the wierd stuff.
by psilord
Sun Jan 01, 2006 11:06 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: New Year's Wishes
Replies: 4
Views: 1259

May you step out of the road before the bus hits you, may your friend see you when you begin choking, may the hospital have your blood type available, and may you avoid the madman in the supermarket...

Uh...I need sleep.
by psilord
Sun Jan 01, 2006 10:55 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: studying greek
Replies: 8
Views: 4224

To tell you the truth from the mouth of a neophyte, the hard part about greek (that I've encountered) are the various principal parts for a single verb. Sometimes there are six and you simply memorize them. Mix in the infinitives and participles and suddenly by lesson 25 or something you are suppose...
by psilord
Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: White A Group
Replies: 15
Views: 4349

As for the shiny new fonts, could they default to a few points larger size? My eyes are going to fall out of my head reading them, and increasing the size increases everything else on the page and screws up the layout.

Though the unicode does look very nice....
by psilord
Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:04 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Graffiti in Pompeii
Replies: 0
Views: 875

Graffiti in Pompeii

I wouldn't call this a good link to learn things from, except if those things you were learning were graffiti from Ancient Pompeii:

http://www.personal.kent.edu/~bkharvey/ ... affiti.htm
by psilord
Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:04 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: What are the kids listening to these days - Round 2
Replies: 24
Views: 6179

Hello, Lately, I've been consuming a lot of nordic black metal. Stuff like Mithotyn, Asmegin, Finntroll, Dissection, Enslaved, Old Man's Child, Dimmu Borger, Emperor, Myrkskog, and Zyklon. In this list I wrote, you'll find everything from more traditional black-metal to folk music/black metal crosso...
by psilord
Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:54 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Poetic Meter Inquiry
Replies: 12
Views: 5074

Out of curiosity, is there a document that shows the complete metrical layout of the illiad?
by psilord
Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:17 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The difference between "classicists" and "lat
Replies: 68
Views: 18991

I don't fully disagree with you, but your definition is given as if it is absolute, but you don't really say why you think that should be the definition. Truth be told, I can't put my finger on why I feel this way--other than there is some tangible and important quality/experience of learning/teach...
by psilord
Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:44 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The difference between "classicists" and "lat
Replies: 68
Views: 18991

I think it depends upon your definition of "learning fully." For language acquisition "learning fully" means: proficiency in reading, writing, composition, speech, and aural comprehension. If you moved to a country where you didn't speak the language, then you would simply be forced into doing the ...
by psilord
Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:52 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The difference between "classicists" and "lat
Replies: 68
Views: 18991

But let's not call it "laziness." These schools are trying to fit in all sorts of hard subjects, such as calculus, chemistry, physics, modern languages, not to mention history and religion classes. Students at some schools are already overloaded. Some schools eliminate Latin altogether, to make roo...
by psilord
Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:12 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The difference between "classicists" and "lat
Replies: 68
Views: 18991

It still boggles my mind that speaking and composition skills in dead languages are being debated as to their worth! To deny your brain the ability to speak and compose in a language is idiocy. A language is ordered markings on a page and sounds that have to be produced and interpreted. It is *purel...
by psilord
Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:27 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Theophilos
Replies: 12
Views: 4532

Would that be "I hold grace to you."?
by psilord
Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:06 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The difference between "classicists" and "lat
Replies: 68
Views: 18991

Absolutely yes I think ancient greek should be taught in greek with loan words being used for words that didn't exist for such (probably grammatical) topics. Immersion in a language is truly the way to internalize it.
by psilord
Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:51 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The most vapid, but (for me) entertaining POLL..
Replies: 77
Views: 17742

Amazing but I can see it now. Shouldn't 'goat' be 'goad'? Nope, "get one's goat" means to "to become annoyed or angry". :) Oddly enough, it is actually in the definition I posted. I hadn't known it was there til I looked just now... I just figured it was a common enough english slang that people wo...
by psilord
Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:24 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The most vapid, but (for me) entertaining POLL..
Replies: 77
Views: 17742

English is easy eh? Once you get the get to get the get of get, then the get will get going on getting the true meaning of get. Upon getting wind of the forms of get, the get will get even with you and then you'll get it while getting together with the get. Then, while your goat is being gotten, ge...
by psilord
Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:41 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The most vapid, but (for me) entertaining POLL..
Replies: 77
Views: 17742

get means far more than "to do"! 18 definitions (with subdefinitions) of the verb, plus a lot of idiomatic usages. It is an amazing little word. 1 get vb \(')get; often git, without stress, when a heavily stressed syllable follows, as in "get up"\ got \(')gat\; got; got.ten \'gat-*n\; get.ting [ME g...
by psilord
Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:52 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The most vapid, but (for me) entertaining POLL..
Replies: 77
Views: 17742

English is easy eh? Once you get the get to get the get of get, then the get will get going on getting the true meaning of get. Upon getting wind of the forms of get, the get will get even with you and then you'll get it while getting together with the get. Then, while your goat is being gotten, get...
by psilord
Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:09 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hello from Rome
Replies: 12
Views: 2719

Alas :( ...in my dreams i would like to become so smart to read the works of Homer, Plato, Thucydides, Aristotle :lol: ...but I' consider myself very lucky if I'll ever get to read Aesopus :wink: Those are my dreams as well.... In fact, it is a secret desire to be able to recite the first book of t...
by psilord
Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:59 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A General Self-Studies Sticky?
Replies: 10
Views: 3467

I've always wanted two things for my homeric greek studies, an easy reader book, and a graduated excersizes book that follows the pharr book.

One of these days, I'm going to write them. Seriously.
by psilord
Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:56 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: 1st 5 lines of the Iliad
Replies: 8
Views: 7214

chad wrote:hi pete, agreed although check the case of "achaeans" :)
Figures... it was correct in my notes, I just simply misparsed the word while writing the post and thought it was genitive. Oddly enough, you can see it was correct in my translation above... :)
by psilord
Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:21 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: 1st 5 lines of the Iliad
Replies: 8
Views: 7214

Here is a translation I did: O muse! Sing the accursed wrath of the son of Peleus Achilles, which caused countless woes for the Achaeans and hurled many valient souls of warriors to Hades, and made their bodies a booty for dogs and a feast for vultures, and the will of Zeus was being accomplished, I...
by psilord
Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:01 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: A latin tool that would be great for greek
Replies: 3
Views: 3455

So, I've written something kinda close in a sense. I was upset that I couldn't find complete lists of verb conjugations (and perseus doesn't help in this case), so for those of you with firefox, I wrote this: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~psilord/verb/test.html It is still in alpha mode (hence some strang...
by psilord
Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:55 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Common homeric verbs
Replies: 14
Views: 9642

Out of curiosity, what is the sorting algorithm for polytonic greek in betacode form? Are accents counted at all in the sort? What if it was unicode polytonic greek being sorted?
by psilord
Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:51 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Common homeric verbs
Replies: 14
Views: 9642

Are -[size=150]μι[/size] verbs so complex that they have to get pushed off until later in a textbook? I've noticed I'm starting to come across them in the pharr book and they are often glossed over.