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by NateD26
Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:09 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks
Replies: 59
Views: 32535

Re: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks

Whether or not these pages were intended for publication is an intriguing subject. I think some elements of the speeches are lost when you just read them on paper, however well crafted the arguments may be. The linked book below quotes from Aristotle's Rhetoric and Demetrius' On Style to show how ce...
by NateD26
Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:46 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze - Lesson Divisions
Replies: 21
Views: 6591

Re: Athenaze - Lesson Divisions

Separate threads for half-lessons are fine, although I for one am good at skipping other people's answers, so I do not consider it a problem to scroll past other people's answers in order to glance at the discussion. There is a risk, however, of going too slowly. Most people (perhaps all) are doing...
by NateD26
Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:07 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: greek text on android
Replies: 46
Views: 75521

Re: greek text on android

Hi, Nate. Have you found a solution? I would search Google for a way to root the AKAI tablet. It's Android, right? If so, you should be able to access system fonts when rooted. Hi, Jason. Thanks for responding. An AKAI tablet -- excuse my french -- isn't worth the goddamn 200nis I've paid for it, e...
by NateD26
Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:59 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Thucydides 2014
Replies: 707
Views: 318661

Re: Reading Thucydides 2013

I was aware of attraction, Qimmik, but thought the verb was part of the relative clause
and a copula was omitted between Μίνως and παλαίτατος. Thank you for your explanation
and helpful references.
by NateD26
Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:35 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Thucydides 2014
Replies: 707
Views: 318661

Re: Reading Thucydides 2013

The sense is that Minos was the first one (the eldest) of whom we know by hearsay/report/evidence to have established an army. But the question is what was the original relative pronoun? Why is it genitive plural and not singular? Or, better yet, why is the verb singular and not plural? Is it partit...
by NateD26
Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:18 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Diphthong οι
Replies: 17
Views: 8105

Re: Diphthong οι

In Matronarde's Appendix 1, Table of Contractions, he noted that in the pres. and aor. subj. of δίδωμι, the verb behaves as if it's from the stronger form and thus ω+ῃ > ῳ. He didn't give a reason or explanation for this behavior but mentioned the aor. subj. of γιγνώσκω & ἁλίσκομαι where the stronge...
by NateD26
Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Understanding the word αὐτός
Replies: 5
Views: 3152

Re: Understanding the word αὐτός

"δῖος ἑκηβόλος αὐτὸς αείδει , ἀλλ' οὐχ ἁνδάνει ἄλλοισι θεοῖσι θυμῷ." I translated it as "The godly sharpshooting one sings, because he is pleasing to the gods' selves in the souls." I've discovered via google search which led me to another forum that this line is from Pharr's Homeric Greek Lesson 8...
by NateD26
Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:57 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Translation Question: Any suggestions?
Replies: 10
Views: 4075

Re: Translation Question: Any suggestions?

οὔτε καλὸν οὔτ’ ἀγαθὸν τὰ τῶν ἄλλων κλέπτειν. ἀδικοῦντες γὰρ οὐ τῑμῶνται ὑπὸ τῶν πολῑτῶν οὗτοι, οἳ ἂν ὑπὸ τῶν ῥητόρων κλοπῆς γράφωνται. To steal the things of others is neither noble nor good. For when they do wrong, they are not honored by the citizens, if anyone is indicted of theft by the orator...
by NateD26
Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:11 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The Use of δια in Galatians 2:1
Replies: 14
Views: 6675

Re: The Use of δια in Galatians 2:1

I realize now my initial reply falls through because my arguments do not necessarily lead to agreeing with the predominant reading of δια in Galatians 2:1. But I would ask you how does this verse differ from 1:18 where we have a similar construction with μετά + acc.: Ἔπειτα μετὰ ἔτη τρία ἀνῆλθον εἰς...
by NateD26
Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:17 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The Use of δια in Galatians 2:1
Replies: 14
Views: 6675

Re: The Use of δια in Galatians 2:1

It's an interesting question, and I suppose not limited to Koine. We have a temporal adverb as well as a temporal prepositional phrase. ῎Επειτα by itself only indicates "mere sequence"*, with the sense thereafter, afterwards without specifying the duration of time passed. The prepositional phrase δι...
by NateD26
Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:18 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: principal parts of ἅπτω
Replies: 18
Views: 14620

Re: principal parts of ἅπτω

It seems to me that verbs in -ίζω are not wholly regular: they form their future either in -iῶ or in -ίσω. Is there a rule determining which it is, or it is just a matter of remembering each verb? According to Smyth, if a verb has more than two syllables, it drops ζ and inserts ε in between the ver...
by NateD26
Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: eipato^san
Replies: 5
Views: 2499

Re: eipato^san

I don't have access to Google Play from my country (which sucks :x), but I do have the TLG and it is a line from Eusebius's Praeparatio evangelica, Book 5, chapter 10, section 7: εἰ δὲ συμβολικῶς λέγεται ταῦτα, τῶν ἐκείνου δυνάμεων ὄντα σύμβολα, τὴν ἑρμηνείαν τῶν συμβόλων εἰπάτωσαν. The morphologica...
by NateD26
Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:22 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: How do you delete own post?
Replies: 2
Views: 1577

Re: How do you delete own post?

Some forums include the option to delete own post.
Others, like Textkit, reserve it for the moderators.
Send a moderator or Jeff a message if you want to delete a double post,
move them to a different section, etc.
by NateD26
Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:15 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: greek text on android
Replies: 46
Views: 75521

Re: greek text on android

Are all these solutions only for Samsung Galaxy phones? What if I have a cheap-ass (but perfectly suitable for my needs) AKAI tablet running Androind 4.0.3 and I want to display polytonic Greek? I've tried setting the font encoding in my browser to UTF-8 but I still cannot view diacritics. AnkiDroid...
by NateD26
Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:10 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: principal parts of ἅπτω
Replies: 18
Views: 14620

Re: principal parts of ἅπτω

Qimmik, how is h(/fqh a perfect passive?
by NateD26
Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:48 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Typo in Greek Ollendorff
Replies: 11
Views: 5102

Re: Typo in Greek Ollendorff

"Mission" is probably better than "matter" here, except that, if I recall, the god didn't send him on a mission: the god simply said that he was the wisest man of all, and he felt he had to find out what that meant and whether it was accurate. But wouldn't you agree that at least from Socrates pers...
by NateD26
Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:00 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ἐν πάσαις ταῖς γλώσσαις Rico - comparison?
Replies: 9
Views: 5230

Re: ἐν πάσαις ταῖς γλώσσαις Ricco - comparison?

But where in this sentence do we have more or most?

Perhaps it was their intention to write it is the most difficult
but then you'd expect δυσκολώτατος.
by NateD26
Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:43 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Typo in Greek Ollendorff
Replies: 11
Views: 5102

Re: Typo in Greek Ollendorff

Qimmik wrote:"it seemed necessary to place the highest value on the god's matter." (Translating τὸ τοῦ θεοῦ requires you to supply some appropriate noun, but I can't readily come up with a better one here.)
Thanks for the correction. I'd go with mission instead of the generic matter, but it's a matter of taste.
by NateD26
Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:01 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Typo in Greek Ollendorff
Replies: 11
Views: 5102

Re: Typo in Greek Ollendorff

I don't have much to add to the above replies other than, as a rule of thumb, participles nearly always take the case of their subjects. Some sentences can be so complex that finding their subjects, be they implicit or explicit, isn't always an easy task. Here's such an example from Plato. Apology 2...
by NateD26
Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:21 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Introduction
Replies: 8
Views: 3885

Re: Introduction

Welcome to forum, Barry Hofstetter! I'm glad you've joined our community. :)

Just so you'd know, posts such as ibnunih's are suspect of being generated by a spam bot.
A clear sign would be the irrelevant links in the signature line, as well as seemingly nonsensical
sentence.
by NateD26
Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:08 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: principal parts of ἅπτω
Replies: 18
Views: 14620

Re: principal parts of ἅπτω

I understand your point. If Mounce only lists NT forms, you can always consult Smyth's list of verbs , and if it's not there, trying to go through LSJ for the principal parts indeed can be tedious but it gets the job done. Let's try doing that. LSJ ἅπτω First they list the active forms: [pres.] ἅπτω...
by NateD26
Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:10 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: principal parts of ἅπτω
Replies: 18
Views: 14620

Re: principal parts of ἅπτω

I recommend reading this blog post, which impeccably relayed my feelings about overly relying on Greek
principal parts.
by NateD26
Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:21 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: What kind of genitives are these ?
Replies: 19
Views: 11969

Re: What kind of genitives are these ?

Seems like another possibility that ought to at least be considered when weighing the options would be epexegetical genitive . You're the second person I've talked with who has voiced this opinion. ... Could you please explain in some detail why you think they're epexegetical genitives ? Here's an ...
by NateD26
Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Translation to Attic Greek
Replies: 6
Views: 2686

Re: Translation to Attic Greek

I remember Sidwick's note in his intro to Greek composition regarding the usage of verbs where we might expect a noun in English. So you could express something as seemingly ambiguous and not outright pertaining to these particular people as "the dangers were so great" with "they were in such a dire...
by NateD26
Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Thucydides 2014
Replies: 707
Views: 318661

Re: Reading Thucydides 2013

I incline to take Qimmik's conjecture here of ἄλλοι τε καὶ rewritten without τε at the end.
Seems more intuitive and a fresh way of looking at this sentence.
by NateD26
Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:05 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: how do you say "I'm hot/cold" in Anc Greek
Replies: 13
Views: 8420

Re: how do you say "I'm hot/cold" in Anc Greek

Thanks, Qimmik. My TLG database lists this verb in these citations: Fragmenta Alchemica, Περὶ τῆς τιμιωτάτης καὶ πολυφήμου χρυσοχοϊκῆς (e cod. Paris. B.N. gr. 2327, fol. 280r) Volume 2, page 330, line 9 Καὶ ὅταν κρυώσῃ , μεταχώνευσαι τὸ βεργὴν εἰς ῥυγλωχύτην εἰς τεάφην. ibid. page 336, line 21 Εἶτα ...
by NateD26
Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: how do you say "I'm hot/cold" in Anc Greek
Replies: 13
Views: 8420

Re: how do you say "I'm hot/cold" in Anc Greek

I remember the use of ἔχω + adverb. Very common.

Qimmik, what verb does κεκρύωμαι come from? Couldn't find it anywhere.
by NateD26
Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: North & Hillard
Replies: 11
Views: 5284

Re: North & Hillard

They essentially have the same meaning: the former is datival substantive,
the latter, articular infinitive.
by NateD26
Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: how do you say "I'm hot/cold" in Anc Greek
Replies: 13
Views: 8420

Re: how do you say "I'm hot/cold" in Anc Greek

Alternatively, you could use Perseus to find headwords related to cold
& warm.
by NateD26
Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: how do you say "I'm hot/cold" in Anc Greek
Replies: 13
Views: 8420

Re: how do you say "I'm hot/cold" in Anc Greek

You could perhaps consult the Septuagint which read literally Kings 1, 1:1, as Καὶ ὁ βασιλεὺς Δαυιδ πρεσβύτερος προβεβηκὼς ἡμέραις, καὶ περιέβαλλον αὐτὸν ἱματίοις, καὶ οὐκ ἐθερμαίνετο . NSRV : King David was old and advanced in years; and although they covered him with clothes, he could not get warm...
by NateD26
Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:33 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: principal parts of φαίνω
Replies: 4
Views: 4768

Re: principal parts of φαίνω

I suppose my gripe is that the principal parts of a Greek verb don't really seem to be all that principal. With Latin, with the principal parts, you can fully conjugate just about any verb (the main exceptions being a handful of athematic verbs). Moreover, just about every Latin dictionary lists th...
by NateD26
Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: S.Aj 1185 τίς ἄρα νέατος ἐς πότε λήξει ...
Replies: 10
Views: 4617

Re: S.Aj 1185 τίς ἄρα νέατος ἐς πότε λήξει ...

Edit: RE: The inserted comma, Stanford's text has two commas setting off ἐς πότε λήξει: τίς ἄρα νέατος, ἐς πότε λήξει, πολυπλάγκτων ἐτέων ἀριθμός, Are we then supposed to read πολυπλάγκτων ἐτέων ἀριθμός as some sort of complement for both τίς ἄρα νέατος and ἐς πότε λήξει? I think I'm a bit confused...
by NateD26
Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:03 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic:
Replies: 4
Views: 2794

Re: ᾗ

What is the context? What is the sense and function of as here?
A little more detail would go a long way into clarifying such queries.
by NateD26
Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:16 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: S.Aj 1185 τίς ἄρα νέατος ἐς πότε λήξει ...
Replies: 10
Views: 4617

Re: S.Aj 1185 τίς ἄρα νέατος ἐς πότε λήξει ...

I'm not going to pretend I understand much of this. But apparently, Sir Richard C. Jebb, (1907) suggested a comma should be inserted after νέατος, "as in some MSS." He noted that ἀριθμός with the second question has a slightly different sense from νέατος in the first. The sense is, “τίς νέατος ἐτέων...
by NateD26
Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:46 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: principal parts of φαίνω
Replies: 4
Views: 4768

Re: principal parts of φαίνω

This particular verb has several forms. You've listed some of them that are not generally listed, as in one you have the future active but in the other future middle. You normally would have: pres. act., fut. act., (1st/2nd) aor. act., (1st/2nd) perf. act., perf. m-p, (1st/2nd) aor. pass. This verb ...
by NateD26
Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:52 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: principal parts of φαίνω
Replies: 4
Views: 4768

Re: principal parts of φαίνω

The intermediate Liddell-Scott dictionary has all the principal parts (or the old online LSJ version @Perseus) under headwords. Indeed, some entries are not friendly for the beginners and one need to sift through the various forms and dialectical changes to get a set of principal parts: Amazon Perse...
by NateD26
Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὡς τὸν (Taylor Beyond GCSE)
Replies: 12
Views: 6737

Re: ὡς τὸν (Taylor Beyond GCSE)

There ought to be a term for this. The meaning of the forms one learns first tend to stick in your head and you make mistakes based on this. Because I learned λόγος, λόγου, κτλ first, I used to often mistake a form like θητός (from θής, θητίς, θητί ) for a nominative instead of genitive. Because I ...
by NateD26
Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὡς τὸν (Taylor Beyond GCSE)
Replies: 12
Views: 6737

Re: ὡς τὸν (Taylor Beyond GCSE)

This proper name is part of the consonant σ declension where a sigma
between the vowel of the stem and the vowel of the ending was dropped and gave way to
lengthening. Its accusative ends in alpha and the contracted ending in eta.
Here's Smyth section about it.
by NateD26
Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:28 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Symposium 200 b9-c5
Replies: 9
Views: 4180

Re: Symposium 200 b9-c5

Qimmik wrote:"and who would desire that?" i.e., who would desire to have something he already has?

δήπου - this isn't a yes/no question. So here δήπου doesn't presuppose a positive answer.
I'll grant you that. But what is its meaning in this question?
by NateD26
Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:41 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Symposium 200 b9-c5
Replies: 9
Views: 4180

Re: Symposium 200 b9-c5

As Qimmik noted, ἐπιθυμήσειεν is 3rd sg. opt. and it would be reasonable to assume τίς is its interrogative subject. The sentence ends with ; which is the Greek conventional question-mark. From what I understand, the gist of the sentence is Socrates' statement that people who already possess certain...