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by Lukas
Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 21, Part II
Replies: 4
Views: 127

Re: Unit 21, Part II

In the English, what is the sequence of tenses? "They believed is past tense. From the perspective of that past tense, when does the defeating take place? Before, at the same time as, or after the believing? After right? Then it's future to the past action. What form then would you want in Greek? F...
by Lukas
Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:17 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 21, Part II
Replies: 4
Views: 127

Unit 21, Part II

I am having trouble translating some of a passage into Greek. The passage is, "For that day the cavalry guarded the camp, but on the next day they rode against the enemy, for they believed they would easily defeat them. I wrote, "Εκεὶνην τὴν ἠμέραν οἱ ῾ιππῆς τὸ στρατόπεδον ἐφυλάζατο, ἀλλ᾿ τῆ ὔτερᾳ ἠ...
by Lukas
Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:32 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Secular uses of εις.
Replies: 24
Views: 642

Re: Secular uses of εις.

If this was written in Attic Greek, would the author be able to drop the εις and put the noun in the dative, or does it still need a preposition?
by Lukas
Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:02 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Secular uses of εις.
Replies: 24
Views: 642

Re: Secular uses of εις.

Plus εἰς is usually a motion toward?
by Lukas
Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:06 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unemphatic v. Emphatic
Replies: 5
Views: 200

Re: Unemphatic v. Emphatic

Εὐχαριστῶ!

Contrastive and non-contrastive makes more sense.
by Lukas
Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unemphatic v. Emphatic
Replies: 5
Views: 200

Re: Unemphatic v. Emphatic

OK, so it sounds like emphasis. Perhaps it is similar to italics in English?

I went to the store -- unemphatic.

I went to the store -- emphatic
by Lukas
Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:55 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unemphatic v. Emphatic
Replies: 5
Views: 200

Unemphatic v. Emphatic

I am beginning Unit 21 of Introduction to Attic Greek and am having trouble understanding what it means when a pronoun is emphatic or unemphatic. There is a chart on page 176 which gives the 1st and second person of personal pronouns. For example the genitive first person ἐμοῦ emphatic and μου unemp...
by Lukas
Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:27 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 20, Part III. #11
Replies: 17
Views: 411

Re: Unit 20, Part III. #11

Hylander wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:22 pm
Predicate position: outside the article + noun phrase.
What do you do when you do not have a definite article?
by Lukas
Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 20, Part III. #11
Replies: 17
Views: 411

Re: Unit 20, Part III. #11

Revise the use of αὐτός on p. 101-2 of M. You will see at the bottom of p.101 "When used in agreement with a noun in any case, or when used in the nominative in agreement with the subject pronoun implied in the personal ending of the verb, it is emphatic or intensive. In this use it must be in pred...
by Lukas
Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:08 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 20, Part III. #11
Replies: 17
Views: 411

Re: Unit 20, Part III. #11

So far I am thinking καί could be translated "even" or "also," but I could be wrong. It makes sense that the allies became sick, but it could go the other way. Remember the Black Death? I was mainly wondering if there was something about the position of the word. It is a very short phrase. I could n...
by Lukas
Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:28 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 20, Part III. #11
Replies: 17
Views: 411

Unit 20, Part III. #11

I have to translate this into English, "οἰ σύμμαχοι, ἐπεὶ εἰς τὴν τῶν ᾿Αθηναίων χώραν ἦλθον, καὶ αὐτοὶ ἐνόσησαν."

I was wondering if position alone of αὐτοὶ tells me if it goes with σύμμαχοι or ᾿Αθηναίων?
Or do I need to take the second step of deciding who it is who gets sick?
by Lukas
Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:39 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 20, a Word from Clearchus
Replies: 7
Views: 246

Re: Unit 20, a Word from Clearchus

Thanks. Yes, I was not sure of how to translate the phrase and the literal was all I could think of, but it seemed awkward.
Noted about editing the posts.
by Lukas
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:52 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Greetings.
Replies: 3
Views: 129

Re: Greetings.

Χαίρετε!
by Lukas
Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 20, a Word from Clearchus
Replies: 7
Views: 246

Re: Unit 20, a Word from Clearchus

How did you get "his own" from the last sentence? I am having a lot of trouble with that one.
by Lukas
Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:38 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 20, a Word from Clearchus
Replies: 7
Views: 246

Unit 20, a Word from Clearchus

I am having some trouble translating this passage, especially the last line. Here is the passage: https://i.imgur.com/eiWKlu0.jpg Here is how I am translating it so far: "And never will anyone say, the men soldiers, that I led the Greeks to the Barbarians and next left the Greeks and chose the frien...
by Lukas
Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:33 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Imperfect v. Aorist
Replies: 7
Views: 261

Re: Imperfect v. Aorist

I agree that I was overthinking it. Later I thought that if the results judged whether to put something in the aorist or imperfect, there would be very few aorists. :)
by Lukas
Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:59 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 20 Part IV #6
Replies: 3
Views: 132

Re: Unit 20 Part IV #6

ευχαριστῶ!

Sorry about the typos. I was really stuck on how to write "had led." I was also uncertain about the word order, even with the freedom of Greek. I was uncertain about placing any part of an indirect discourse before, "said."
by Lukas
Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:53 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 20 Part IV #6
Replies: 3
Views: 132

Unit 20 Part IV #6

Χαίρετε! I am supposed to write in Greek, "This woman said that the soldiers had led the jurymen away to the shrine next to the walls." I wrote, "αὔτη ἡ γυνὺ ἔφη τοὺς στρατιώτας τούς δικαστὰς εἰς τό πρὸς τοῖς τείχεσιν ιερὸν ἀπάγειν." The answer book wrote, "αὔτη ἡ γυνὺ τοὺς στρατιώτας ἔφη τούς δικασ...
by Lukas
Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:03 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Imperfect v. Aorist
Replies: 7
Views: 261

Imperfect v. Aorist

Χαίρετε! I am supposed to write this sentence in Greek, "The young men resolved [use impersonal δοκεῖ] to marry the daughters of the chorus trainer, for they hoped that each one would be both beautiful and wealthy." I am not sure whether to put the verbs into the imperfect or aorist tense. On the on...
by Lukas
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: "You Will Die" Accent
Replies: 2
Views: 122

Re: "You Will Die" Accent

Sorry about the typos. I was just going through to see if I understood the contractions.
Dr. Mastronarde has lists of principal parts, but I still have to contract the endings.
by Lukas
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:38 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: "You Will Die" Accent
Replies: 2
Views: 122

"You Will Die" Accent

I had to write "You will die" and placed the accent in the wrong spot. Looking at the answer book, I was wondering if this is how the word is contracted: 1. I start out with ἀποθνήσκω. 2. The future is ἀποθανέομαι. 3. With the "you" ending, I get ἀποθανέεσαι. 4. Then the sigma falls out and I contra...
by Lukas
Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Weak Aorist Accent Confusion
Replies: 0
Views: 95

Weak Aorist Accent Confusion

The rule at the bottom of page 158 and top of 159 of Introduction to Attic Greek pertaining to the accent of weak aorist infinitives states, "When the verb has two or more syllables (including any prefix), then the finite imperative form will have its accent on A, while the nonfinite infinitive has ...
by Lukas
Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Future of πυνθάνομαι?
Replies: 9
Views: 359

Future of πυνθάνομαι?

Χαίρετε

I hope this is not too far over my head: How did the future of πυνθάνομαι, πεύσομαι, end up with an epsilon in the stem?
by Lukas
Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:54 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Velar with Strong Aorist?
Replies: 2
Views: 162

Velar with Strong Aorist?

I am beginning the exercises with Unit 19 of Introduction to Attic Greek. Page 156 states that a stem ending with a velar in a weak (sigma) aorist changes a velar plosive to a ξ. It did not mention the strong aorist, so I guess a velar stays as is with a strong aorist? I do not see a sigma being add...
by Lukas
Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:45 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 18 Negatives and Too Say
Replies: 2
Views: 150

Unit 18 Negatives and Too Say

I am also having trouble with the second translation. The Greek is this: https://i.imgur.com/deskyds.jpg?1 So far this is my translation: "Never will you learn, oh evil one, not even these small things. For it will seem best to the citizens not to be persuaded these to say neither money or blows." I...
by Lukas
Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:04 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 18 Reading
Replies: 17
Views: 508

Re: Unit 18 Reading

seneca2008 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:57 pm
Lukas did you know that this passage starts off at least as an adaptation of Xenophon’s Anabasis?
I did not.
by Lukas
Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:22 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 18 Reading
Replies: 17
Views: 508

Re: Unit 18 Reading

Ευχαριστῶ Seneca and Joel! Seneca, you did fine explaining it. I was just having a huge struggle with this passage. I got some verbs wrong, plus I struggled a long time trying to figure out if καλοῦσι was some type of dative noun or a verb. Plus I was trying to figure out what type of accusative I w...
by Lukas
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 18 Reading
Replies: 17
Views: 508

Re: Unit 18 Reading

How do I know if it is, "He wished his children to be present" or "He wished to be present with his children?"
by Lukas
Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 18 Reading
Replies: 17
Views: 508

Re: Unit 18 Reading

I am going back and rewriting the verbs I made a mistake on, such as βούλομαι instead of βουλεύω. What is bothering me the most is figuring out what kind of accusative "the kids" is and if I can place a preposition in the phrase. So does the phrase belong to both verbs? That is also confusing knowin...
by Lukas
Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:49 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 18 Reading
Replies: 17
Views: 508

Re: Unit 18 Reading

Yes. I was thinking of οἴομα. I was also thinking of Βουλεύω instead of Βούλομαι.
I used "with" because the author on page 141 stated that sometimes I can use prepositions with internal accusatives.
I was also thinking that "the children" belonged to the "be" verb.
by Lukas
Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:36 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Question about pronunciation
Replies: 5
Views: 230

Re: Question about pronunciation

If you do not mind me jumping in, when did a u start to pronounced like a long English e?
by Lukas
Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:26 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 18 Reading
Replies: 17
Views: 508

Unit 18 Reading

I had trouble mentally reading the first passage in the reading passage of Unit 18 of Introduction to Attic Greek , so I wrote down what I could. I especially had trouble translating δέ. It appears five times (4 elided). Here is the passage: https://i.imgur.com/IHXrrOh.jpg In the third sentence, is ...
by Lukas
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Articular Infinitive
Replies: 3
Views: 195

Re: Articular Infinitive

Typo. Sorry --
by Lukas
Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:10 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Articular Infinitive
Replies: 3
Views: 195

Articular Infinitive

I had to write, "The fact that not even the children are afraid will aid the army," in Greek I wrote, "τὸ φοβεῖσθαι μηδὲ τοὺς παῖδας τὴν στρατιὰν ὠφελήσει." The answer book wrote, "τὸ μηδὲ τοὺς παῖδας φοβεῖσθαι τὴν στρατιὰν ὠφελήσει. I could not tell from Unit 9, page 79, how close to keep the artic...
by Lukas
Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:49 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ἐξέσται?
Replies: 7
Views: 296

Re: ἐξέσται?

ευχαριστώ!

I took German about 30 years ago and forgot almost all of it. One thing I remember in grammar classes is that sometimes things are a certain way just because that is the way it is. :)
by Lukas
Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ἐξέσται?
Replies: 7
Views: 296

Re: ἐξέσται?

So when the theme vowel dropped, the first syllable moved over to its place, and then ἐξ did not affect eh accent?
by Lukas
Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:25 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ἐξέσται?
Replies: 7
Views: 296

ἐξέσται?

My second to last short phrase exercise in Introduction to Attic Greek , page 153, had me writing, "It will be possible." I had to give up and just look at the future tense from the chart in Unit 9. The answer is ἐξέσται. I do not know why the accent shifted to the second epsilon, as the present for...
by Lukas
Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Future of σπένδω?
Replies: 26
Views: 699

Re: Future of σπένδω?

Ευχαριστώ! I was wondering what to do about σπένδω after I got rid of the delta. Then it was ending in a nu, and I did not know if the rule about words ending in nasals or liquids applied. I also had a difficult time understanding the rule, so I Googled it and read an explanation that was more under...
by Lukas
Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:44 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Future of σπένδω?
Replies: 26
Views: 699

Re: Future of σπένδω?

The verb was in the exercises.
by Lukas
Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:34 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Future of σπένδω?
Replies: 26
Views: 699

Future of σπένδω?

Does anyone know why the nu drops out with the future of σπένδω? I know that dentals drop out, but I am having a difficult time understanding the explanation of Introduction to Attic Greek on page 149 referring to stems that end in a nasal or liquid. I know it says that the intervocalic sigma drops ...