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by Constantinus Philo
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot 350d
Replies: 0
Views: 9

Prot 350d

τοὺς δὲ ἀνδρείους ὡς οὐ θαρραλέοι εἰσίν, τὸ ἐμὸν ὁμολόγημα οὐδαμοῦ ἐπέδειξας ὡς οὐκ ὀρθῶς ὡμολόγησα. This is the sentence which all the commentators got wrong trying to explain the οὐ . In my opinion, it is simple if you take τὸ ἐμὸν ὁμολόγημα as acc of respect: you have never proved that I have adm...
by Constantinus Philo
Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:36 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot 330a τὸ δὲ ἄλλο
Replies: 5
Views: 321

Re: Prot 330a τὸ δὲ ἄλλο

οὐκ ὂν οἷον τὸ ἕτερον αὐτῶν τὸ ἕτερον; Prot 349b, the same construction?
by Constantinus Philo
Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot 347c
Replies: 0
Views: 37

Prot 347c

πολλοῦ μισθούμενοι ἀλλοτρίαν φωνὴν τὴν τῶν αὐλῶν, : hiring at a high price an extraneous voice, namely, that of the flutes.
by Constantinus Philo
Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:18 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὅτι + optative
Replies: 12
Views: 339

Re: ὅτι + optative

merci
by Constantinus Philo
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:57 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὅτι + optative
Replies: 12
Views: 339

Re: ὅτι + optative

The most salient part of the women’s answer is not their assertion about where he is not(the Greeks had suspected that he was not there; hence they took this route), but their assertion that he is only a parasang away. I donot understand this: in the previous example the salient part was in the opt,...
by Constantinus Philo
Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:59 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot 345c
Replies: 0
Views: 42

Prot 345c

τοὔνεκεν οὔ ποτ᾽ ἐγὼ τὸ μὴ γενέσθαι
δυνατὸν διζήμενος κενεὰν ἐς ἄ-
πρακτον ἐλπίδα μοῖραν αἰῶνος βαλέω,
πανάμωμον ἄνθρωπον, εὐρυεδοῦς ὅσοι
καρπὸν αἰνύμεθα χθονός:
ἐπί θ᾽ ὑμῖν εὑρὼν ἀπαγγελέω, It appears that this ὅσοι clause has a concessive meaning: as many as there might be....
by Constantinus Philo
Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:20 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Funny Prot 345a
Replies: 0
Views: 49

Funny Prot 345a

Its funny that according to Plato you cannot be a bad doctor first and then develop into a good doctor, but you needs to be a good doctor from the start in order to inevitably become a bad doctor later. It resembles somehow Aristotle's entelechy: you needs to be a full grown man before you can be a ...
by Constantinus Philo
Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot 344b
Replies: 0
Views: 45

Prot 344b

ἀλλὰ τὸν τύπον αὐτοῦ τὸν ὅλον διεξέλθωμεν καὶ τὴν βούλησιν, ὅτι παντὸς μᾶλλον ἔλεγχός ἐστιν τοῦ Πιττακείου ῥήματος διὰ παντὸς τοῦ ᾁσματος. On which does the ὅτι clause depend, on διεξέλθωμεν or βούλησιν?
by Constantinus Philo
Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:12 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot 330a τὸ δὲ ἄλλο
Replies: 5
Views: 321

Re: Prot 330a τὸ δὲ ἄλλο

because the other does not make much sense here
by Constantinus Philo
Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot 340ab
Replies: 0
Views: 46

Prot 340ab

καὶ γὰρ οὖν καὶ δεῖται τὸ ὑπὲρ Σιμωνίδου ἐπανόρθωμα τῆς σῆς μουσικῆς, ᾗ τό τε βούλεσθαι καὶ ἐπιθυμεῖν διαιρεῖς ὡς οὐ ταὐτὸν ὄν, καὶ ἃ νυνδὴ εἶπες πολλά τε καὶ καλά. It appears that καὶ ἃ means here διό. Or, it may be the case of an antecedent τούτων omitted. the correction of Simonides needs your mu...
by Constantinus Philo
Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:20 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot 330a τὸ δὲ ἄλλο
Replies: 5
Views: 321

Re: Prot 330a τὸ δὲ ἄλλο

still I am inclined to think that τὸ δε ἄλλο must be taken adverbially: with respect to the rest, in all other respects, this δε is copulative, not adverstative. So the best translation would be: so I said: and is each of them different also in all other respects?
by Constantinus Philo
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:44 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot., 327d attraction into opt
Replies: 5
Views: 228

Re: Prot., 327d attraction into opt

but i think he changes the mood for stylistic reasons aiming at variety, for he could have used the opt in both parts, or could have switched the moods saying ἐισί for εἶεν in the second part, or εἴη for ἐστι in the first part, however, i think that using the indicative in both parts throughout woul...
by Constantinus Philo
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:37 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot., 327d attraction into opt
Replies: 5
Views: 228

Re: Prot., 327d attraction into opt

ok ive got it thanx
by Constantinus Philo
Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:37 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Γ25 - LSJ "εἴπερ" error?
Replies: 5
Views: 371

Re: Γ25 - LSJ "εἴπερ" error?

By the way, is Leaf's the best commentary on Il.? and what about Merry's commentary on Od., how good?
by Constantinus Philo
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:50 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Apuleius, Metamorphoses 1.16
Replies: 7
Views: 364

Re: Apuleius, Metamorphoses 1.16

I think qua is the abl instrumentalis of quae agreeing with restim
by Constantinus Philo
Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:25 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot., 327d attraction into opt
Replies: 5
Views: 228

Re: Prot., 327d attraction into opt

so this is potential optative without ἄν then.
by Constantinus Philo
Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:28 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot 330a τὸ δὲ ἄλλο
Replies: 5
Views: 321

Prot 330a τὸ δὲ ἄλλο

ἕκαστον δὲ αὐτῶν ἐστιν, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ, ἄλλο, τὸ δὲ ἄλλο; each of them is different for the rest?, τὸ δὲ ἄλλο taken as an adv. or each of them is different, (being) difference itself?
by Constantinus Philo
Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:46 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot 329b
Replies: 1
Views: 130

Prot 329b

νῦν οὖν, ὦ Πρωταγόρα, σμικροῦ τινος ἐνδεής εἰμι πάντ᾽ ἔχειν, εἴ μοι ἀποκρίναιο τόδε is this opt of wish? Now I lack a tiny bit in order to have all, I wish you could answer this.
by Constantinus Philo
Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:23 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot., 327d attraction into opt
Replies: 5
Views: 228

Prot., 327d attraction into opt

εἰ δέοι αὐτὸν κρίνεσθαι πρὸς ἀνθρώπους οἷς μήτε παιδεία ἐστὶν μήτε δικαστήρια μήτε νόμοι μηδὲ ἀνάγκη μηδεμία διὰ παντὸς ἀναγκάζουσα ἀρετῆς ἐπιμελεῖσθαι, ἀλλ᾽ εἶεν ἄγριοί τινες οἷοίπερ οὓς πέρυσιν Φερεκράτης ὁ ποιητὴς ἐδίδαξεν ἐπὶ Ληναίῳ. As I understand, εἶεν is attracted into the opt because of εἰ ...
by Constantinus Philo
Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:04 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: omission of article, Men 84e
Replies: 14
Views: 644

Re: omission of article, Men 84e

you are probably right and that was my first impression as well, however Steadman's comment confused me.....he is wrong then....
by Constantinus Philo
Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:02 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: τίς οὖν ἡ παιδεία;
Replies: 2
Views: 151

Re: τίς οὖν ἡ παιδεία;

thanx, it seems I have to improve my English as well.
by Constantinus Philo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: τίς οὖν ἡ παιδεία;
Replies: 2
Views: 151

τίς οὖν ἡ παιδεία;

τίς οὖν ἡ παιδεία; ἢ χαλεπὸν εὑρεῖν βελτίω τῆς ὑπὸ τοῦ πολλοῦ χρόνου εὑρημένης; What is this education? Or is it difficult to find a better one than that which is found after a long time? Is this translation correct? The source is Plato but I do not know from where.
by Constantinus Philo
Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: omission of article, Men 84e
Replies: 14
Views: 644

Re: omission of article, Men 84e

could you give an example for note 2 plz? ok, i got it
by Constantinus Philo
Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:49 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot 323a
Replies: 3
Views: 252

Re: Prot 323a

i cant find any besides προσῆκον. Ok I have checked the comments, it depends on προσῆκον, evidently...
by Constantinus Philo
Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:57 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot 323a
Replies: 3
Views: 252

Prot 323a

ὡς παντὶ προσῆκον ταύτης γε μετέχειν τῆς ἀρετῆς ἢ μὴ εἶναι πόλεις. it appears that grammatically μὴ εἶναι πόλεις depends on προσῆκον . or is there another explanation?
by Constantinus Philo
Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Crit., 53a καὶ
Replies: 3
Views: 248

Re: Crit., 53a καὶ

yes thanx what you wrote confirms that its similar to how the Russian то is used. I think I could make an addenda to the Russian grammar of Greek now.
by Constantinus Philo
Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:40 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag, 317e
Replies: 26
Views: 873

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

I have read in one of those grammars that in a number of verbs their middle differs from their active form only in the degree of intensity whatever that might mean, like for instance, in δωρέω δωρέομαι.
by Constantinus Philo
Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:04 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot 321c
Replies: 0
Views: 230

Prot 321c

ἀπορίᾳ οὖν σχόμενος ὁ Προμηθεὺς ἥντινα σωτηρίαν τῷ ἀνθρώπῳ εὕροι, this looks like oratio obliqua with an opt replacing dubit subjunctive of oratio recta.
by Constantinus Philo
Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:09 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Crit., 53a καὶ
Replies: 3
Views: 248

Re: Crit., 53a καὶ

here it looks like Russian то
by Constantinus Philo
Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Apology 38c
Replies: 5
Views: 269

Re: Apology 38c

its something like with regards to not a long time.....
by Constantinus Philo
Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:54 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Prot., 320a
Replies: 1
Views: 150

Prot., 320a

εἰ δὲ βούλει, Κλεινίαν, τὸν Ἀλκιβιάδου τουτουῒ νεώτερον ἀδελφόν, ..... there must be an ellipsis here... but what verb is to be added?
by Constantinus Philo
Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:57 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Nisi Dominus custodierit domum, in vanum vigilant qui custodiunt eam
Replies: 4
Views: 318

Re: Nisi Dominus custodierit domum, in vanum vigilant qui custodiunt eam

your example is what Gild classifies as an ideal conditional sentence. Prot in con and apod in ind is common in this type.
by Constantinus Philo
Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:30 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag, 317e
Replies: 26
Views: 873

Plat., Protag, 317e

ἐπεὶ δὲ πάντες συνεκαθεζόμεθα, ὁ Πρωταγόρας, νῦν δὴ ἄν, ἔφη, λέγοις, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἐπειδὴ καὶ οἵδε πάρεισιν, περὶ ὧν ὀλίγον πρότερον μνείαν ἐποιοῦ πρὸς ἐμὲ ὑπὲρ τοῦ νεανίσκου. Why is the middle form ἐποιοῦ used here?Would it be possible to use the active ἐποίεις ?
by Constantinus Philo
Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:17 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Crit., 53a καὶ
Replies: 3
Views: 248

Crit., 53a καὶ

ἐὰν ἡμῖν γε πείθῃ, ὦ Σώκρατες: καὶ οὐ καταγέλαστός γε ἔσῃ ἐκ τῆς πόλεως ἐξελθών. I am not sure how to understand this καὶ.
by Constantinus Philo
Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Nisi Dominus custodierit domum, in vanum vigilant qui custodiunt eam
Replies: 4
Views: 318

Re: Nisi Dominus custodierit domum, in vanum vigilant qui custodiunt eam

i think yes, conjunctivus perfectus always expresses priority, so it means something like if Lord is not already in charge of the house.... or rather if Lord were not already..... potential subjunctive
by Constantinus Philo
Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:24 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Crit 44d
Replies: 7
Views: 387

Re: Crit 44d

yes I agree but μέλειν might be either impersonal or personal, but for the personal μέλειν Bailly gives examples only from tragedies. I m just wondering if it can be used personally in Attic prose.
by Constantinus Philo
Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:38 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Crit 44d
Replies: 7
Views: 387

Crit 44d

ἀλλ᾽ ὁρᾷς δὴ ὅτι ἀνάγκη, ὦ Σώκρατες, καὶ τῆς τῶν πολλῶν δόξης μέλειν. Is μέλειν to be taken personally or impersonally?
by Constantinus Philo
Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 99a
Replies: 5
Views: 401

Re: meno 99a

but could you answer plz if it really looks like G of source.
by Constantinus Philo
Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 99a
Replies: 5
Views: 401

meno 99a

ὧν δὲ ἄνθρωπος ἡγεμών ἐστιν ἐπὶ τὸ ὀρθόν, δύο ταῦτα, δόξα ἀληθὴς καὶ ἐπιστήμη. is this ὧν genetive of source/ Genitivus originis. In some editions it is replαced by ᾧ which is easier to understand.
by Constantinus Philo
Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:01 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 96b
Replies: 1
Views: 193

meno 96b

οὐκοῦν εἰ μήτε οἱ σοφισταὶ μήτε οἱ αὐτοὶ καλοὶ κἀγαθοὶ ὄντες διδάσκαλοί εἰσι τοῦ πράγματος, here οἱ before αὐτοὶ is probably not an article but a demonstr pr, otherwise αὐτοὶ would be in a attrib position.