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by Callisper
Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:11 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Dream comprehensible input engine
Replies: 3
Views: 284

Dream comprehensible input engine

While trawling some old Textkit threads I found a gem that got me thinking: My hope is that future students will engage with something like a comprehensible input engine (rather than a static comprehensible input text). Ancient Greek has a large data set over which unsupervised learning could crunch...
by Callisper
Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:48 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Book Notice
Replies: 5
Views: 405

Re: Book Notice

You're right.

I hope people have also taken notice of Horrocks' own recent project - "The Cambridge Grammar of Medieval and Early Modern Greek".
by Callisper
Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:36 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader
Replies: 45
Views: 1762

Re: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader

I'll clarify briefly that I feel the concept under discussion arises from English and European criticism, where it was perhaps partly warranted, due to the abundance of high-quality critical attention texts of great interest in these (modern) languages have received - as a result of which "the obvio...
by Callisper
Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:25 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: adjective noun agreement
Replies: 4
Views: 254

Re: adjective noun agreement

(like leviter armātī, which I doubt ever occurs) On the contrary, I am sure it does. Perfectly sound classical Latin. You may like to think about why Caesar went for genitive, rather than ablative (clarification: two possibilities to consider here - ablative of quality, and ablative as qualifier to...
by Callisper
Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:31 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 15, Part IV, #3
Replies: 12
Views: 439

Re: Unit 15, Part IV, #3

Hence why I specified definite predicate noun. Check out Smyth 1152 for an introductory discussion.

But I confess to not being totally sure whether this is such a case, which is why I solicited mwh's opinion.
by Callisper
Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:05 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Book Notice
Replies: 5
Views: 405

Re: Book Notice

Interesting... By "Post-Classical" - do you essentially mean "NT"? Does the book chart the development in the usage of the article from Attic through NT (or even beyond), or just rehash what NT grammarians already know (a considerable amount) about the article in the NT? I look forward to getting my...
by Callisper
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:57 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 15, Part IV, #3
Replies: 12
Views: 439

Re: Unit 15, Part IV, #3

in Greek predicates normally go without the article. So you'd do better to cancel ἡ. I should think that the rule is more like 'in Greek (definite nominal) predicates that precede the verb go without the article'. If the predicate were after the verb we would expect an article (all other factors un...
by Callisper
Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:18 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader
Replies: 45
Views: 1762

Re: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader

What exactly are these "prejudices" you speak of? To me the whole concept you are referring to sounds nebulous thus far: can you provide some actual examples of, say, my "prejudices" when it comes to interpreting a text, or, failing that, your own or those of somebody else? What do these actually lo...
by Callisper
Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Looking for Principle Parts Catalogs
Replies: 8
Views: 388

Re: Looking for Principle Parts Catalogs

Echoing the various other posters, the right way of doing things is: 1) learn the regular 2) use Smyth for the irregular basics 3) use Veitch for further info on irregulars. Learn those thoroughly and your verbal morphology will be excellent. As for reference books on "all the forms," there is no bo...
by Callisper
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:25 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Five fresh Latin sentences....... but are they right?
Replies: 17
Views: 636

Re: Five fresh Latin sentences....... but are they right?

Cicero's example is not about the use of si, but about the use of accusative and infinitive after dubium. It's you who didn't look at it. Oh come on. Do I really have to explain to you that in "Nos quidem hoc sentimus: si exploratum tibi sit, posse te illius regni potiri, non esse cunctandum; si du...
by Callisper
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:31 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader
Replies: 45
Views: 1762

Re: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader

I would make a distinction between commentaries aimed at scholars or university students and concentrate on literary or historical issues ( such as the Green and Yellow Cambridge) and those which concentrate on linguistic help (those that were once school editions). The former seem to me indispensa...
by Callisper
Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:45 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Five fresh Latin sentences....... but are they right?
Replies: 17
Views: 636

Re: Five fresh Latin sentences....... but are they right?

[*] a. An indirect question is occasionally introduced by sī in the sense of whether (like if in English, cf. § 572. b. N.):— “circumfunduntur hostēs sī quem aditum reperīre possent ” (B. G. 6.37) , the enemy pour round [to see] if they can find entrance. “vīsam sī domī est ” (Ter. Haut. 170) , I w...
by Callisper
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:11 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Five fresh Latin sentences....... but are they right?
Replies: 17
Views: 636

Re: Five fresh Latin sentences....... but are they right?

....tractandae sunt, ut exploremus num dubium sit equum fame mortuum esse? (~are to be discussed, in order to find out, whether the horse died from hunger) ? Not at all. For one thing, dubium est+Acc+Inf is not really how it's done (this usually negatively, not positively as here, and generally com...
by Callisper
Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:48 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Five fresh Latin sentences....... but are they right?
Replies: 17
Views: 636

Re: Five fresh Latin sentences....... but are they right?

I found several examples of si in the corpus ... And there are probably more. Of course you can find instances (of which, by the way, you found only one: try actually reading them rather than just plugging out of a digital search and you'll see how the Tacitus, first Livy, and Ammianus examples you...
by Callisper
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:45 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Five fresh Latin sentences....... but are they right?
Replies: 17
Views: 636

Re: Five fresh Latin sentences....... but are they right?

bedwere wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:10 pm
Hae interrogationes tractandae sunt ut exploremus si dubium sit + acc. infin.
utrum (for example) (or num, depending on desired shade), not si.
by Callisper
Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:34 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Some more questions from LLPSI Cap XL
Replies: 52
Views: 5161

Re: Some more questions from LLPSI Cap XL

To the general question of how to learn to read Latin without depending on adulterated & banalized versions of ancient texts, I'll make a recommendation I don't see too often - read a lot of (well-written) Neo-Latin. It's generally easier than Classical Latin and there's so much that you can immerse...
by Callisper
Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:44 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: To be or not to be?
Replies: 4
Views: 364

Re: To be or not to be?

Ellipsis is an advanced field. Some work has been done on it (including for εἶναι). But there certainly aren't simple "guidelines"; rather you develop an understanding through specifics. For example, here: αιρησονται - the middle here does not take εἶναι for this particular meaning. (Or rather, it c...
by Callisper
Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:35 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: pacem relinquo or pace relinquo
Replies: 8
Views: 427

Re: pacem relinquo or pace relinquo

The point of learning a classical language is actually assuefaction to the mind-set of an ancient civilisation from time gone by, not the other way around. Your "translation" is not "hilarious". It is simply nonsensical (in its context here). And before we ask "how the phrase could be constructed" i...
by Callisper
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: De civitate Dei libri XXII
Replies: 3
Views: 271

Re: De civitate Dei libri XXII

Firstly it's in order to laud the industry that obviously went into this!

Can I ask what the rationale is behind your pronunciation of Latin? (Unless, of course, you are in fact Italian - for some reason I didn't think you were)
by Callisper
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:05 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Spoken Ancient Greek was considerably slower than modern
Replies: 8
Views: 504

Re: Spoken Ancient Greek was considerably slower than modern

The natural consequence for ancient Greek, is that as vowel collapse made syllables indistinguishable from each other, speakers would have have sped up. I would want to do some detailed calculations, but the vowel collapse would probably have taken Greek from the low end of the chart for syllables ...
by Callisper
Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:12 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Chapter 10 Question
Replies: 4
Views: 279

Re: Chapter 10 Question

Doesn't seem like you took much away from this same thread 5 months ago - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69052 - where you asked exactly the same question (and, to boot, answered it for yourself within your very first post).
by Callisper
Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin adjective rules
Replies: 7
Views: 798

Re: Latin adjective rules

Won't weigh in on magnus, or the other lexical issues, for the moment. The adjective need not agree with the subject - it ought to agree with the predicate. Unless scholaris , clearly a noun in your sentence, is taken (wrongly, I think) to be common-gender, you would indeed want the masc adjective t...
by Callisper
Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:08 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Word order for nouns and adjectives
Replies: 6
Views: 554

Re: Word order for nouns and adjectives

And you know that how, Callisper? If there's a study you can cite, or a recommendation to that effect in a prose composition textbook, I'd be very interested (and there may well be - I'm not saying you're wrong). Something I learnt from my first teacher and then, as we do, verified against what I r...
by Callisper
Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:07 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Word order for nouns and adjectives
Replies: 6
Views: 554

Re: Word order for nouns and adjectives

Would 'the little brown dog' be 'parvis canis fuscus' and not 'parvis fuscus canis'? Prefer "parvus canis fuscus" by far. Contra the poster above word-order is not all that free and "parvus fuscus canis", while maybe not strictly impossible, would be painfully clunky. Adj+Noun+Adj is generally far ...
by Callisper
Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:24 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: School level textbook in Latin (not language)
Replies: 10
Views: 1893

Re: School level textbook in Latin (not language)

That is all I have found at this moment. XIX century was fruitless for Latin textbooks, XVII-XVIII centuries are richer but education system of that time is quite outdated, I do not think Chemistry or Physics knowledge from 17 c. would be interesting for modern people. I take it you did not put my ...
by Callisper
Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:42 pm
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Reading early fragments
Replies: 9
Views: 2361

Re: Reading early fragments

Why not Plautus indeed? But if you set out to read all the surviving Plautine plays you will certainly get surfeited well before you finish them. The same goes for Cicero and Caesar, and Livy, and others. And I can only pity people who can bring themselves to read all of Silius Italicus. I recommen...
by Callisper
Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:04 am
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Reading early fragments
Replies: 9
Views: 2361

Re: Reading early fragments

Your proposal sounds good given your aim and reading-level.

If you are not married to the idea of running chronological from the start, I do think you could make the process easier and richer for yourself by raising your Latin ability first before reading fragmentary early poets.
by Callisper
Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:57 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: "Homeric" Greek Reworking of the Aeneid (Latin/Greek)
Replies: 1
Views: 713

Re: "Homeric" Greek Reworking of the Aeneid (Latin/Greek)

Surprisingly clean by the standards of katharevousa.

It might be of interest to find Voulgaris' other writings as they could well be much closer to proper ancient Greek than other contemporary katharevousa was.
by Callisper
Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:04 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: nam miseris amicis adfuisse laudabile est
Replies: 5
Views: 786

Re: nam miseris amicis adfuisse laudabile est

Are you wondering why the infinitive is past rather than present?
by Callisper
Thu May 30, 2019 12:08 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ovid bibliographies
Replies: 0
Views: 826

Ovid bibliographies

Does anyone know of any comprehensive bibliographies available (published or online) of material published on Ovid, or specifically on the Metamorphoses? eg of the kind that exists for Virgil or Lucretius I have found Elliot’s 1968-1978 bibliography but would appreciate any others as I am particular...
by Callisper
Wed May 29, 2019 2:51 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: From a Seasoned Classicist
Replies: 1
Views: 602

Re: From a Seasoned Classicist

Not my usual gig but I'd like to thank you for this one. Putnam's work on the Aeneid is some of my favourite - (I hope my own teachers will forgive me for saying that) - and it was particularly heartening to hear he "changed [his] undergraduate major from mathematics to classics," as I did the same.
by Callisper
Tue May 14, 2019 12:04 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: TLGMarathon: Odyssey, resources
Replies: 10
Views: 1908

Re: TLGMarathon: Odyssey, resources

I am afraid I'm a little short on time to add names but I hope you enjoy your Homer. I would wish you good luck but you won't need it for a while. Can I ask what kind of secondary literature / 'resources' you are looking for exactly? Enough commentary to help you with language points for comprehensi...
by Callisper
Mon May 13, 2019 11:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille
Replies: 48
Views: 54898

Re: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille

How about Montaigne's claim to have read every book in existence at the time? He was a very modest man (Que sais-je? and all that) so he probably didn't say it himself. Does Montaigne say this? Or is it said about him by anyone? (What he does say is "Je feuillette les livres, je ne les estudie pas....
by Callisper
Sun May 12, 2019 7:07 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: iambic practice
Replies: 5
Views: 1293

Re: iambic practice

In fact I fancy that the last line should end not οὐδ᾿ ἁλίσκεται τέχνῃ but οὐδε τέχνῃ ἁλίσκεται, with the last two words slurred together (he is drunk, after all) and successfully achieving the triumphant close to the set of five. Like cclaudian I'd quite like to know whether such metrical license ...
by Callisper
Sun May 12, 2019 3:55 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: First 100 lines of the Iliad
Replies: 22
Views: 11245

Re: First 100 lines of the Iliad

First of all, I am impressed that Joel was able to put together some code that approaches 100% accuracy in scanning Homeric lines. Sorry to resurrect an old thread - but is this true, jeidsath?! How much intervention is required on your part? For instance, how many lines would you guess required yo...
by Callisper
Wed May 08, 2019 11:01 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Learning French in Middle Age
Replies: 6
Views: 1481

Re: Learning French in Middle Age

I've never particularly believed that children are better at learning languages than adults. The differences between adults' situation and approach and children's are huge and refute any fair comparison - but my experience ties up with yours: jettisoning just a fraction of the ballast that weighs do...
by Callisper
Wed May 08, 2019 10:54 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The TLG all the way through. Anyone?
Replies: 10
Views: 1732

Re: The TLG all the way through. Anyone?

Your scattered reading from a high-quality sample of the finest Attic authors may have sorely misled your expectations. The reason you would presumably be the first(?) to pull this off isn't that it's fundamentally 'difficult' to read that much - see jeidsath's estimate and you can easily get faster...
by Callisper
Wed May 08, 2019 10:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Classical Greek texts with macrons?
Replies: 21
Views: 2925

Re: Classical Greek texts with macrons?

And if you spend a lot of time reading prose before you start poetry, you will likely have internalized a lot of bad quantities. How so? Obviously you won't have learnt correct quantities but why should you have learnt wrong ones? I read a fair amount of prose before starting poetry in both languag...
by Callisper
Wed May 01, 2019 4:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Katharevousa bibliographies
Replies: 0
Views: 866

Katharevousa bibliographies

Do any of you interested in such things - such as those with competence in modern Greek, which I rather lack - know of any bibliographies of katharevousa texts? I am interested in finding such texts for a research project I may conduct - of particular interest for the time being are novels, historie...
by Callisper
Wed May 01, 2019 2:38 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Is -"tion" ever pronounced "shun"?
Replies: 9
Views: 1593

Re: Is -"tion" ever pronounced "shun"?

That evidence is far too thin on the ground to make statements about a given grapheme "always" being pronounced a certain way.