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by smitterle
Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:28 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Introduction
Replies: 13
Views: 2446

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Introduction

When will you start? I'll bookmark thread, not sure I'll be able to participate much but would love to.
by smitterle
Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:05 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Too late to become a classicist?
Replies: 6
Views: 836

Re: Too late to become a classicist?

Just do it and see for yourself how much you enjoy it. Life changes every day and what you think you want to do today might not be the same you'll want tomorrow, or what you desire today might not be what a while ago you thought you should do.
by smitterle
Fri May 24, 2019 2:16 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: English Writing Skills
Replies: 4
Views: 702

Re: English Writing Skills

Maybe start a blog about stuff you like and find a proofreader around here.
by smitterle
Fri May 24, 2019 12:01 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the function of this subjunctive?
Replies: 14
Views: 1590

Re: What's the function of this subjunctive?

Thanks for the recommendation, just ordered a copy.
by smitterle
Thu May 23, 2019 4:00 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the function of this subjunctive?
Replies: 14
Views: 1590

Re: What's the function of this subjunctive?

Thanks guys. I had checked my grammar but didn't quite get it.
The case you mention exists in modern Spanish subjunctive in relative clauses and is used because the "iis" is not yet well defined. (Grammar of Bornemann's Latin workbook B, par. 162.)
I need a more extensive grammar.
by smitterle
Thu May 23, 2019 9:33 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Symp 187d
Replies: 6
Views: 834

Re: Symp 187d

Any proposal for a solution to the question @Constantinus?
by smitterle
Thu May 23, 2019 9:31 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the function of this subjunctive?
Replies: 14
Views: 1590

Re: What's the function of this subjunctive?

Why? @Constantinus
by smitterle
Thu May 23, 2019 7:47 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Symp 187d
Replies: 6
Views: 834

Re: Symp 187d

Maybe here hOs is simply synonym for hOti, object clause, and an only to be understood as potential with the optative?
by smitterle
Thu May 23, 2019 7:31 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the function of this subjunctive?
Replies: 14
Views: 1590

Re: What's the function of this subjunctive?

I hope I'm not getting it totally wrong but without more context I'd say causal: as he rules them, the job/duty is to be useful to them. I've got a question myself: if my interpretation is correct, I feel the repetition of praeesse emphasizes it even more. Anybody agrees? It reminds me on how we som...
by smitterle
Mon May 20, 2019 2:55 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: A Little Embarassed to Ask
Replies: 4
Views: 747

Re: A Little Embarassed to Ask

First, shouldn't feel embarrassed at all.
Second, learning some IPA might be helpful, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... c_Alphabet
by smitterle
Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:24 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ancient Greek for Duolingo
Replies: 2
Views: 704

Re: Ancient Greek for Duolingo

I joined the facebook group in case I am able to help.

You might want to look into the Phrasebook Discussion - Sprechen Sie Attisch viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10924&sid=83465ee7b ... f15e534bf9
by smitterle
Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:31 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Adding Declensions to English
Replies: 4
Views: 804

Re: Adding Declensions to English

Not sur-ως, as oppose-μενον abov-οις opinion-οις αν enjoy-οιο this-ον gibberish-ον; XD XD XD Personally, I find it easier to start with easy texts and reading a lot, gradually getting used to how certain things are expressed, trying to detach from how another known language works. I found that even ...
by smitterle
Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Classical Greek texts with macrons?
Replies: 21
Views: 2867

Re: Classical Greek texts with macrons?

Wow, didn't know about apices. Thanks for sharing.

In ancient Greek really only alpha iota and upsilon can sometimes bring confusion having the accents and sometimes metrics as mentioned earlier. But in Latin they're really helpful.
by smitterle
Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:28 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek language and Greek thought
Replies: 4
Views: 753

Re: Greek language and Greek thought

Are you trying to reason about language as if Attic Greek was your mother tongue?

I'd like to see more examples of folk etymology :)
by smitterle
Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:13 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Quod
Replies: 5
Views: 655

Re: Quod

I think it's until.
by smitterle
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Offended by modern phonology in Ancient Greek classroom
Replies: 38
Views: 16086

Re: Offended by modern phonology in Ancient Greek classroom

Don't mean to offend anybody. Mainly agree with Michael and Callisper. Striving for reconstructed pronunciation for Classical Geek (and then switching for Koine and even modern) might look like a challenge but I've always only found advantages: it helps me know the accents, spell, perceive a glance ...
by smitterle
Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:27 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Present infinitives instead of aorist infinitives
Replies: 7
Views: 842

Re: Present infinitives instead of aorist infinitives

Could you post the text to reduce churn for everybody?
Also, could you tell us why you expect aorist instead?
by smitterle
Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:15 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: how to use New Athens Unicode
Replies: 6
Views: 718

Re: how to use New Athens Unicode

The easiest way for me is to use an online keyboard https://www.lexilogos.com/keyboard/greek_ancient.htm This is enough for me because I don't need to enter long texts so far. As you mention, the fonts only can help rendering the letters in this very specific font; I'm not sure if you also set up yo...
by smitterle
Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:56 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?
Replies: 22
Views: 1995

Re: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?

@mwh βδ (and πτ) will not have been pronounced simultaneously but successively (without intervening release) as the tongue was brought into play; the δ is plosive, marking the release and leading directly into the vowel. I believe this is what was meant by "simultaneous pronunciation" - that is, wit...
by smitterle
Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:36 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?
Replies: 22
Views: 1995

Re: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?

@ἑκηβόλος I think our discussion has added way more information than I initially intended. I hope I'll be able to answer in a structured way. 1. I assume that if /bd/ are pronounced simultaneously then we are also talking about a single phoneme. Therefore I used writing /(bd)/. Another argument for ...
by smitterle
Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:51 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?
Replies: 22
Views: 1995

Re: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?

Your question pre-supposes that the digossia maintained two distinct pronunciation systems. I didn't mean to imply this but there is a difference between learning a word from written text or from the surrounding speakers. Horrocks has some examples, too, but I don't have the book with me right now....
by smitterle
Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:23 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?
Replies: 22
Views: 1995

Re: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?

I agree, the categorical perception necessary to learn our mother tongue is in the way sometimes. What I did with my students was to pronounce minimal pairs while covering the sight of my mouth and have them point out which alternative (in this e.g. joint "bd" vs. "b" vs. "d") they perceived giving ...
by smitterle
Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:27 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?
Replies: 22
Views: 1995

Re: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?

When you say simultaneously, do you mean the air of /b/ is not released before the /d/? I mean, when I pronounce "Bob Dylan" that's what's happening but I never thought of that detail. Alternatively, air can be released by the lips only, instantly stopped by /d/. In any case, do you have a reference...
by smitterle
Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:58 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?
Replies: 22
Views: 1995

Re: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?

I'm positive it will. Do you listen to audio books? I did a lot so I've got some reference voices in my head. I also did some Chinese with Michel Thomas to grasp the melodic accent. I know it's not a pitch accent. But just as you mentioned, Japanese too can get our brains used to the subtleties. Sai...
by smitterle
Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:30 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?
Replies: 22
Views: 1995

Re: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?

I like your recording and accent work @jeidsath. Great work! There's one thing not related to this thread: in your recording you seem to be using a high pitched voice. Is it because this helps you with the accent? It helps me, that's why I'm asking. I mean, I artificially use a higher pitch as base ...
by smitterle
Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:10 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Which side of the road did the Romans drive/march/walk on?
Replies: 7
Views: 1820

Re: Which side of the road did the Romans drive/march/walk on?

Actually, was there even a norm? I was very much used to always walk on the right but when I emigrated people didn't prefer either side but decided spontaneously. Had a hard time getting used to it.
by smitterle
Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?
Replies: 22
Views: 1995

Re: How pronunciate the βδ- in βδελυρός?

What works for me is pronounce τοῦβ-δελυροῦ.

This is more like "Bob Dylan" where I don't pronounce an /e/ between both.

I assume you mean classical pronunciation /bd/.
by smitterle
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:48 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Anything concrete to back up the Ionian Migration?
Replies: 8
Views: 1499

Re: Anything concrete to back up the Ionian Migration?

I find the link between frequency and "archaic" mi forms interesting. In my German dialect tenses have reduced dramatically to two in daily talk (Perfekt, Präsens in Hessisch). However, frequent words like go, come and modal verbs are still being used in additional simple tenses like Präteritum. Any...
by smitterle
Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:07 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The section on stress in Vox Graeca
Replies: 9
Views: 1420

Re: The section on stress in Vox Graeca

I believe it is very interesting to compare with other accentual systems. The Basque language seems to be using several different systems depending on region http://www.ehu.eus/ojs/index.php/ASJU/article/viewFile/7813/7007 When I learned it it was very interesting to notice the lack of a fixed stres...
by smitterle
Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:38 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Is letter r pronounced the same as the Spanish r?
Replies: 3
Views: 644

Re: Is letter r pronounced the same as the Spanish r?

From bedwere's quote then, it seems Classic r was pronounced rather like in modern Italian and that there was not such a strong distinction as in Spanish between flap and strong pronunciation. I live in Spain and people are ver aware of the distinction, many jokes around it.
by smitterle
Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:05 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: It's my first time to introduce myself.
Replies: 4
Views: 772

Re: It's my first time to introduce myself.

Welcome. I found Greek way more different than Latin, too. Even if the scope is reduced to Classical, I found Latin had a very clear phonetic and morphological structure and most case, aspect and tense concepts were more familiar to me (I am German and had already been learning English). Even the vo...
by smitterle
Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:54 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek-English Phrasebook (Sprechen Sie Attisch)
Replies: 17
Views: 8073

Re: Greek-English Phrasebook (Sprechen Sie Attisch)

Thank you. Do I assume correctly that the first link (1) gives translations until section 60 while the latter (2) is a full translation including the last missing ten sections from the first? Has the translation effort been given up for (1)? From comment to (2) it seems this one has additional conte...
by smitterle
Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek-English Phrasebook (Sprechen Sie Attisch)
Replies: 17
Views: 8073

Re: Greek-English Phrasebook (Sprechen Sie Attisch)

When I go to http://www.letsreadgreek.com/phrasebook/ I get a 404.
I know this is an older thread but does anybody know if there's a valid link somewhere? I understand the translation of SSA to English had advanced quite advanced.
by smitterle
Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:24 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Introducing myself
Replies: 1
Views: 412

Introducing myself

I'm Sebastian. I found this forum because I had a question around Ionic pronunciation of Homer. My background is that I had many years Latin at school and loved it and somehow ended up learning some Ancient Greek, too. At university, however, I switched to maths and German philology and finally star...