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by bpk
Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:51 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books I-XVI) 4 Questions
Replies: 7
Views: 1335

Re: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books I-XVI) 4 Questions

Why is ἥμισυ neuter? Looking through all of Josephus' uses of μέτωπον, which he uses to mean geometric "face" or "front" a great number of times -- unlike the Septuagint or NT, which do not ever use it that way -- I can't convince myself that he means "columns." There's nothing comparable that I co...
by bpk
Wed May 15, 2019 5:27 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: The “eye of a needle” saying: a camel or a rope?
Replies: 15
Views: 2552

Re: The “eye of a needle” saying: a camel or a rope?

One idea that I have heard regarding this--I don't think it is right--is that there is a play on words in the "supposed" original Aramaic--it is more likely that Jesus's parables, at least, were told in Hebrew; not sure if that principle would apply here. In Aramaic, the word גמלא (gmlʔ) can mean ei...
by bpk
Fri May 10, 2019 6:14 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής
Replies: 14
Views: 2105

Re: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής

Also, I should note that I am particularly interested in the Koine period. So even if the idea of a nuclear family was not as strong in Athens and the mainland, surely elsewhere in the Mediterranean there were cultures that had a concept of the nuclear family and needed to speak about it in Greek at...
by bpk
Fri May 10, 2019 6:08 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής
Replies: 14
Views: 2105

Re: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής

I'd be careful of trying to impose hyper specific differences. Agreed. I think part of what I am after is not necessarily distinctions that hold all the time, but trying to figure out what distinctions could be made. Just like how in English we might use the term 'family' in all sorts of ways (nucl...
by bpk
Fri May 10, 2019 5:58 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής
Replies: 14
Views: 2105

Re: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής

συγγενεῖς applies more widely than οἰκεῖοι I didn't take that from the first Ammonius quote. It looks like he is saying that συγγενεῖς are out of the same family, though not quite as closely related as ἀγχιστεῖς, but that οἰκεῖοι include relatives by marriage. What overlap do you think he was imply...
by bpk
Thu May 09, 2019 2:21 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής
Replies: 14
Views: 2105

Re: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής

More help from Ammonius:

οἰκῆας καὶ οἰκείους διαφέρειν φασίν. οἰκεῖοι μὲν γὰρ καὶ οἱ κατ’ ἐπιγαμίαν προσήκοντες, οἰκῆες δ’ ἅπαντες οἱ ἐν τῇ οἰκίᾳ τυγχάνοντες τῇ αὐτῇ, εἴτε οἰκέται εἴτε ἐλεύθεροι


Here, does οἰκεύς only apply to servants or also family members?
by bpk
Thu May 09, 2019 2:17 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής
Replies: 14
Views: 2105

Re: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής

I found this in Ammonius's Περὶ ὁμοίων καὶ διαφόρων λέξεων (what is the transmission history of this source like, anyone know? reliable?): ἀγχιστεῖς καὶ συγγενεῖς καὶ οἰκεῖοι διαφέρουσιν. ἀγχιστεῖς μὲν γάρ, οἷς ἐπειδάν τις ἐκ τοῦ γένους ἀποθάνῃ συγχωρεῖ ὁ νόμος ἀντιποιεῖσθαι τῶν τούτου δικαίων· συγγ...
by bpk
Thu May 09, 2019 2:01 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής
Replies: 14
Views: 2105

Re: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής

That's a helpful quote, Joel, thank you. I assume that the κηδεστής Callias lived in another house, right? With the semantic range of οικειος being rather wide, presumably it might have had more technical usages in certain contexts. In the Andocides example, the οικειος is contrasted with the πολιτα...
by bpk
Thu May 09, 2019 12:06 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής
Replies: 14
Views: 2105

Re: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής

Thank you!

The specific question I was getting at with uncle is whether or not the θεῖος could be called both an οἰκεῖος and a συγγενής, or if οἰκεῖος was restricted only to the nuclear family/household.
by bpk
Thu May 09, 2019 8:17 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής
Replies: 14
Views: 2105

family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής

I was wondering if there is any sharp/clear/or blurry distinction between these terms. I am sure they vary by style and author, but is there any way one could come up with a general division between them (if one had to pick a primary meaning): perhaps οἰκία and οἰκεῖος refers to the nuclear family a...
by bpk
Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:58 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Koine Greek animated film of the Martyrdom of Polycarp (μαρτυριον πολυκαρπου)
Replies: 0
Views: 1196

Koine Greek animated film of the Martyrdom of Polycarp (μαρτυριον πολυκαρπου)

I thought I would share an animated film of the Martyrdom of Polycarp. It is verbatim the text of μαρτυριου πολυκαρπου from the Apostolic Fathers, but with some parts left out from the intro and epilogue. A restored "Living Koine" pronunciation is used in the narration and dialogues. It has Greek su...
by bpk
Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:24 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: diachronic syllabificiation of ἐξακολουθῶ
Replies: 17
Views: 4042

Re: diachronic syllabificiation of ἐξακολουθῶ

Two other factors to consider: In Modern Greek, I don't believe things are any longer syllabified in the way that Smyth presents them, if they ever were. This means that at least at some point in the history of Greek syllabification changed. Also, what can we learn from doublets like χθες and εχθες?...
by bpk
Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:05 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: diachronic syllabificiation of ἐξακολουθῶ
Replies: 17
Views: 4042

Re: diachronic syllabificiation of ἐξακολουθῶ

Thank you everyone for your responses. I had a feeling this question might get a complex set of answers. It seems that the following two issues are central to the discussion: 1) Were the ancient grammarians confusing spelling with pronunciation? 2) Is there a distinct pattern of syllabification for ...
by bpk
Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:18 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: diachronic syllabificiation of ἐξακολουθῶ
Replies: 17
Views: 4042

diachronic syllabificiation of ἐξακολουθῶ

I have a question about syllabification through the various periods of Greek. I recall from Smyth that permissible consonant clusters are typically syllabified together as a complex onset: e.g., ἔθνος = ἔ-θνος; ἐχθές = ἐ-χθές. I suspect that these became a bit more like εθ νος and εχ θες during the ...
by bpk
Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:44 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: πρασιαὶ πρασιαί Mark 6:40 (and Longus 4.2.6)
Replies: 11
Views: 1627

Re: πρασιαὶ πρασιαί Mark 6:40 (and Longus 4.2.6)

It all depends on what time of year. Look at that same hillside around March-April and it will be very green. This picture of סוסיתא taken on 15th April 2011 by AVRAM GRAICER ( CC BY-SA 3.0 ) shows what you are saying. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/%D7%A1%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%...
by bpk
Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:39 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Queen of Heaven cf. Kingdom of heaven, ἡ βασιλεία τῶν οὐρανῶν.
Replies: 3
Views: 986

Re: Queen of Heaven cf. Kingdom of heaven, ἡ βασιλεία τῶν οὐρανῶν.

This - the prevention of mis interpretation by intermediate students - seems to me the likeliest reason why the lists distinguishing accents may come in handy: between e.g. βασιλεία and βασίλεια , the greatest danger is that a student may simply not recognise the misplaced accent as they read: Ἤγγι...
by bpk
Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:32 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: ancient descriptions of roman buildings/landmarks in greek literatur
Replies: 8
Views: 1869

Re: ancient descriptions of roman buildings/landmarks in greek literatur

That is the most crucial aspect of what I'm looking for. As some posters have already mentioned, there are places I can go for general architectural terms, but what I am finding a hard time finding is Greek references to specific buildings in Rome: i.e., colosseum, forum, etc. Anything that help wi...
by bpk
Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:24 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: ancient descriptions of roman buildings/landmarks in greek literatur
Replies: 8
Views: 1869

Re: ancient descriptions of roman buildings/landmarks in greek literatur

Thanks, everyone, this is helpful! I'm not sure there is any specifically Koine treatise which brings all these things together. However, if you are looking mainly for the Greek equivalents of Latin terminology, Plutarch has tons. His Greek is Atticistic, of course, but the vocabulary items are like...
by bpk
Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:05 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Brainstorming for a dissertation in Greek
Replies: 11
Views: 1635

Re: Brainstorming for a dissertation in Greek

I second what mhw said. Totally right on. I think the two most important things you can consider when doing a Ph.D. topic are the following ... 1) What are you passionate enough about to not lose your motivation when you are in the most tedious days of it? 2) What need is out there (for the academi...
by bpk
Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:10 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Brainstorming for a dissertation in Greek
Replies: 11
Views: 1635

Re: Brainstorming for a dissertation in Greek

I second what mhw said. Totally right on. I think the two most important things you can consider when doing a Ph.D. topic are the following ... 1) What are you passionate enough about to not lose your motivation when you are in the most tedious days of it? 2) What need is out there (for the academic...
by bpk
Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:37 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Translation of the Phrase Τυγχάνει Συντελείας
Replies: 17
Views: 2277

Re: Translation of the Phrase Τυγχάνει Συντελείας

Joel's literal rendering is very nice. I might also add, to give a well-rounded overview of τυγχάνω in other texts (this definition/use does not apply here), it can also be used in a manner a bit similar to συμβαίνει (referring to the idea of 'happens (to be)' or something like that) or even ὑπάρχει...
by bpk
Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:58 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Βασιλεὺς τῶν βασιλευόντων;
Replies: 20
Views: 2772

Re: Βασιλεὺς τῶν βασιλευόντων;

It is worth noting that the Greek translators do not always replicate the grammar of the Hebrew in a "wooden" fashion when dealing with מלך (forms of the verb or the noun) and βασιλεύω. For example, the LXX translates the Hebrew dating formula into a formulation more consistent with the normal Greek...
by bpk
Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:41 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Βασιλεὺς τῶν βασιλευόντων;
Replies: 20
Views: 2772

Re: Βασιλεὺς τῶν βασιλευόντων;

Μαρτυρεῖ δὲ ὁ μακάριος Πολύκαρπος doesn’t mean “Polycarp was martyred” but “Polycarp testifies.” The quote follows. That's an interesting take. Not to derail the thread (perhaps better to PM me the answer?), but where does the following quote of Polycarp begin? The rest of the text seems to refer t...
by bpk
Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:19 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: ancient descriptions of roman buildings/landmarks in greek literatur
Replies: 8
Views: 1869

Re: ancient descriptions of roman buildings/landmarks in greek literatur

For what it's worth, I have so far found the following:

Aelius Aristidies, Oration 26: The Roman Oration (extracts)
by bpk
Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:56 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: ancient descriptions of roman buildings/landmarks in greek literatur
Replies: 8
Views: 1869

ancient descriptions of roman buildings/landmarks in greek literatur

I am needing to compose something on a description of imperial Rome written in Koine Greek. Does anyone know of any Greek literature from this period that can give me terminology.for how they tqlked about everything: e.g., colosseum, forum, etc.
by bpk
Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:11 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Word Indentification
Replies: 7
Views: 1268

Re: Word Indentification

Yes, looks like the following on the line:

ποιητικη
τετραγραμματ

superscript letters are difficult though
by bpk
Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:51 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Thomas Saunders Evans writing Greek and Latin poetry by age 12
Replies: 3
Views: 1055

Re: Thomas Saunders Evans writing Greek and Latin poetry by age 12

I am quite curious about their pedagogical method as well. If anyone can dig anything up I would definitely be interested. At the same time, though, we see this across various academic fields. I remember hearing a story of a smart man (with a graduate degree) in his forties who had been sent an old ...
by bpk
Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:45 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: πρασιαὶ πρασιαί Mark 6:40 (and Longus 4.2.6)
Replies: 11
Views: 1627

Re: πρασιαὶ πρασιαί Mark 6:40 (and Longus 4.2.6)

Here is a hotlinked picture of Hippos (Sussita, Susita) , a (not very green) location near Gallilee: https://biblewalks.com/Photos44/Hippos72.jpg It all depends on what time of year. Look at that same hillside around March-April and it will be very green. Do we know what time of year this event was...
by bpk
Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:34 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Ancient Greek word for "genre" - γένος?
Replies: 7
Views: 1760

Re: Ancient Greek word for "genre" - γένος?

Was what I heard about γένος unsubstantiated or can anyone provide a reference for γένος being an ancient word for genre as well? Hi bpk, You've asked this question in the Koine and Biblical and Medieval sub-forum, so let me use a Biblical example to provide a background to the way of thinking that...
by bpk
Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:30 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: τί ἐμοὶ καὶ σοί and a suggestion for John 2:4
Replies: 13
Views: 2052

Re: τί ἐμοὶ καὶ σοί and a suggestion for John 2:4

For what it's worth, Epiphanius (4th c. CE), who grew up about 60km southwest of Jerusalem and knew Aramaic and Hebrew to a degree, interprets it as a rebuke: Epiphanius, Tractatus de numerorum mysteriis, 43.512.31-36 Τρεῖς αἱ κατὰ τῆς Παρθένου τοῦ Μονογενοῦς ἐπιτιμήσεις· Τί ὅτι ἐζητεῖτέ με; οὐκ ᾔδε...
by bpk
Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:19 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Βασιλεὺς τῶν βασιλευόντων;
Replies: 20
Views: 2772

Re: Βασιλεὺς τῶν βασιλευόντων;

One could see it as a slightly nuanced way of indicating the temporary nature of earthly kings. If one is merely "ruling" βασιλεύων, then they are temporary. However, if they are "king" βασιλεύς, it is a bit more connected to their nature as a person...perhaps? There is a really nice statement at th...
by bpk
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:04 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Modern Greek Translations of the Bible/New Testament
Replies: 6
Views: 1721

Modern Greek Translations of the Bible/New Testament

I am curious if anyone here has much experience with Modern Greek translations of the Bible/New Testament.

Which ones are used mainstream in Greece among different churches (that aren't traditionally reading the original)?
by bpk
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:03 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Ancient Greek word for "genre" - γένος?
Replies: 7
Views: 1760

Re: Ancient Greek word for "genre" - γένος?

Very helpful, thank you. Aristotle's example seems like a pretty strong case right there for ειδος.

Was what I heard about γένος unsubstantiated or can anyone provide a reference for γένος being an ancient word for genre as well?
by bpk
Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:39 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Ancient Greek word for "genre" - γένος?
Replies: 7
Views: 1760

Ancient Greek word for "genre" - γένος?

Does anyone know of any text from the Koine period or earlier in which literary categories are discussed and a clear term that would be roughly equivalent to the modern "genre" would be used? I have heard that γένος would be the best approximation, but I am not sure how certain this is or if it goes...
by bpk
Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:26 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Various and sundry versions of Aesop's Fables, some in Koine
Replies: 4
Views: 1117

Re: Various and sundry versions of Aesop's Fables, some in Koine

All these responses are super helpful. Thank you everyone. I will have to look into these resources next chance I'm back at the university library. That is curious that Syntipas was an 11th century Byzantine scholar. I expect that he was probably imitating Koine style as the closest ancient form of ...
by bpk
Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:17 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Various and sundry versions of Aesop's Fables, some in Koine
Replies: 4
Views: 1117

Various and sundry versions of Aesop's Fables, some in Koine

I was wondering if anyone knew of any good article or work that attempts to map out the ancient compositional history of the various version we have of "Aesop's" fables today. Obviously this is a very complicated topic and perhaps one which we cannot really access fully at this point, but I would be...