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by Aetos
Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:16 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: who was the author of the dinner party talk?
Replies: 8
Views: 108

Re: who was the author of the dinner party talk?

Hi Andrew That's basically why I sprang for the Xenophon collection-the price and the portability. I was usually away from home 4 days a week, every week, so I liked to carry my library with me. This is way off topic, but another thing I did was use Microsoft OneDrive to connect to my home PC and do...
by Aetos
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:23 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: who was the author of the dinner party talk?
Replies: 8
Views: 108

Re: who was the author of the dinner party talk?

I have a couple of the Delphi Series pubs. Basically, they present the English versions of the collected works of the author, then the collection of Greek texts. No commentary, no critical apparatus.
by Aetos
Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Philoctetes, questions.
Replies: 9
Views: 286

Re: Philoctetes, questions.

There's a rule where if the 2nd consonant is a liquid (ρ), then the preceding vowel can be short or long, as required by the verse. Our resident metricians will be able to give you a much more detailed explanation. Here's Smyth: 145. A stop with a liquid after a short vowel need not make the precedi...
by Aetos
Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:26 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: hair or mane flying
Replies: 1
Views: 90

Re: hair or mane flying

Livy describes long red hair as:
"promissae et rutilatae comae"
so perhaps:
promissis rutilatisque comis volantibus, Boadicea essedum agitat.
by Aetos
Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:05 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Iliad B353
Replies: 4
Views: 105

Re: Iliad B353

Checking the notes in my Leaf & Bayfield, they mention that ἀστράπτων "should strictly be accusative, but the anacoluthon is natural". In Smyth: 3006. Anacoluthon usually produces the effect of naturalness and liveliness, sometimes of greater clearness (as after long parentheses), or of brevity, for...
by Aetos
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὁσάκις ἂν
Replies: 30
Views: 444

Re: ὁσάκις ἂν

Hylander, mwh:
I just want to thank you for your participation in this thread. I always learn something every time you guys post and very much appreciate your time and patience.
by Aetos
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:10 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Grammar, by Dirk Panhuis
Replies: 3
Views: 2140

Re: Latin Grammar, by Dirk Panhuis

You can get the German version, if you act fast! https://www.amazon.de/Set-Lateinische-Grammatik-Panhuis-Wortkunde/dp/311040916X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1544123200&sr=8-1&keywords=Panhuis+lateinische+grammatik Of course, it's 42,5 Euros. It was the only one available for purchase and shipment to the ...
by Aetos
Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:39 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὁσάκις ἂν
Replies: 30
Views: 444

Re: ὁσάκις ἂν

I'm shocked that a German educator could make a mistake! Seriously though, in his forward, he refers to eight other teachers that he submitted the book to for their opinion. None of them caught this. It was enough to make me spend some serious time in Smyth (not a bad thing, of course)!
by Aetos
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὁσάκις ἂν
Replies: 30
Views: 444

Re: ὁσάκις ἂν

Hi Randy, To be honest, I don't know whether the use of the optative here is invalid; I think both statements are fine. The problem is with the "Übersetzung", the German translation: The Greek was provided by a Professor Schneider, the translation was provided by the author, Herr Damm. To match the ...
by Aetos
Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὁσάκις ἂν
Replies: 30
Views: 444

Re: ὁσάκις ἂν

There's no question that the subjunctive seems more appropriate; I'm just mystified that he used the optative in the first place and it's clear that he intended it, as he references the use of the optative in his vocabulary list for that section. Perhaps I'm nitpicking, but for me the conundrum cont...
by Aetos
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὁσάκις ἂν
Replies: 30
Views: 444

Re: ὁσάκις ἂν

I think the difference is in how the optative is used:
the potential optative is an independent use of the optative, whereas its use in a future less vivid conditional statement is a dependent use of the optative.
by Aetos
Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:45 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin for "patrol"
Replies: 2
Views: 120

Re: Latin for "patrol"

I'm voting for circumitio, as it has a specific military meaning of "making the rounds", which implies guarding.
by Aetos
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:04 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὁσάκις ἂν
Replies: 30
Views: 444

Re: ὁσάκις ἂν

Hi Bedwere, This isn't so much an answer as another question: For an indefinite temporal clause, the subjunctive plus ἄν would be used, so χρεία ᾖ. On the other hand, do you suppose he considers "as often as it is necessary"(so oft wie es nötig ist) as requiring the potential optative? Note that the...
by Aetos
Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:59 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Bowen's Advanced Greek Unseens
Replies: 69
Views: 2938

Re: Bowen's Advanced Greek Unseens

Here are the appropriate sections on transliteration from Pharr:

https://imgur.com/a/CAjzEhp

It's certainly not complete, but it's (slightly) better than nothing. I took a look through Smyth and couldn't find anything either. Surprising.
by Aetos
Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:06 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Tabulae Pictae
Replies: 5
Views: 1179

Re: Tabulae Pictae

voluit fortasse "abscedentia" scribere

https://www.wikiart.org/en/alfred-sisle ... lnuts-1876
by Aetos
Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:38 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Tenea-City built by Trojan prisoners
Replies: 11
Views: 703

Re: Tenea-City built by Trojan prisoners

Strabo does mention Tenea (Geography, 8.6.22) but restricts his remarks to a possible kinship between the people of Tenea and Tenedos, through King Tennes of Tenedos as well as from the similar worship of Apollo: δοκεῖ δὲ καὶ συγγένειά τις εἶναι Τενεδίοις πρὸς τούτους ἀπὸ Τέννου τοῦ Κύκνου, καθάπερ ...
by Aetos
Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:28 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Vocabulary study resource
Replies: 1
Views: 156

Re: Vocabulary study resource

Nice tool!
Works great in Edge and Chrome. Couldn't get it to display correctly in Internet Explorer 11.
by Aetos
Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:29 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Tenea-City built by Trojan prisoners
Replies: 11
Views: 703

Re: Tenea-City built by Trojan prisoners

Here's the New York Times' version of the story:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ric ... cid=HPCDHP
Somewhat more accurate.
by Aetos
Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:39 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: online NT Greek
Replies: 7
Views: 522

Re: online NT Greek

I'm certainly no expert, but searching through the catalogue of the Holy Cross bookstore (greek orthodox theological school), I eventually found the UBS5 Greek New Testament Readers Edition, but it's only published in print. I did find this: https://www.amazon.com/Readers-Greek-New-Testament-Third/d...
by Aetos
Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:04 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Tenea-City built by Trojan prisoners
Replies: 11
Views: 703

Re: Tenea-City built by Trojan prisoners

I don't know where the reporter got that little tidbit (Trojan prisoners!), but there's nothing in the ministry press release concerning it. The reporter throws in this conjecture just in front of the actual quote from the press release, making it appear as though the statements are connected but as...
by Aetos
Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:38 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Webpage Redesign and Login Problems
Replies: 16
Views: 667

Webpage Redesign and Login Problems

If anybody had login problems using Internet Explorer after the redesigned webpage went up last night (16 November 2018), I found that adding textkit.com to my compatibility view settings (Tools, Compatibility View Settings, Add) restored functionality.
by Aetos
Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:05 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Tenea-City built by Trojan prisoners
Replies: 11
Views: 703

Re: Tenea-City built by Trojan prisoners

Michael, are you referring here to the concept of the Dorian Invasion that is used to explain the collapse of the Mycenaean civilization and the beginning of the Ionian and that the Athenians claimed they were pure Ionian with no trace of Doric stock? Even as Ionians they were "immigrants" from Anat...
by Aetos
Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Article on Extensive Reading
Replies: 3
Views: 442

Re: Article on Extensive Reading

Excellent article-gives me some ideas as to where to proceed after Cicero and Virgil. Thanks for the posting the link, Barry!
by Aetos
Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:31 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Tenea-City built by Trojan prisoners
Replies: 11
Views: 703

Tenea-City built by Trojan prisoners

This may be old news to some of you, but this article just popped up in USA Today:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ten ... cid=HPCDHP
by Aetos
Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:13 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: question about possessive adjectives
Replies: 12
Views: 626

Re: question about possessive adjectives

Barry Hofstetter wrote:Just to expand slightly on Aquila's explanation
Barry, you've "latinized" me! :lol: I don't know how I'm going to fit Aetos/Aquila on to my license plate, though...
by Aetos
Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:55 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Nota quod quoddam potest esse licet non sit
Replies: 12
Views: 568

Re: Nota quod quoddam potest esse licet non sit

Kachikawawa wrote:What about this "licet non sit"? "It's not allowed to be"?
I think it's being used as the conjunction "although", so "although may not be". There's a rather long entry on licet in the Lewis & Short dictionary which is available at:
http://logeion.uchicago.edu/licet
by Aetos
Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:22 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: question about possessive adjectives
Replies: 12
Views: 626

Re: question about possessive adjectives

Looking at that sentence in Lesson 44, you could probably omit the possessive adjective. It's pretty clear that Marcus is referring to his brothers, and no one else's. Have a look at sentence I.A.3 in that lesson: you'll notice that he omits the possessive "frater autem noluit..." (my brother howeve...
by Aetos
Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:13 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι
Replies: 15
Views: 826

Re: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι

Thank you, Don, for the bringing up the question. I learned a lot about the Poetic plural! Pharr's commentary in the Iliad explains individual instances of plural usage, but doesn't really give it a name, so you gave me an opportunity to broaden my knowledge. Enjoy Aeschylus!
by Aetos
Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:26 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: question about possessive adjectives
Replies: 12
Views: 626

Re: question about possessive adjectives

Are you referring to "(their) mother" in the exercise? "Meanwhile the boys were carrying branches and leaves from the woods; for (their) mother had sent them to help the sailors." "Their" does not have to be translated because it is implied that she is the boys' mother; however, if it were to be tra...
by Aetos
Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:12 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι
Replies: 15
Views: 826

Re: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι

Later for line 534, Denniston and Page's commentary says, "Others refer ἁρπαγή here to the rape of Helen, κλοπή to the theft of property from Menelaus' palace . . ." They then cite several sources for this: "Il. 3.70, 91, 282, 285, 458, 7.350, 22, 114, etc.; . . . Herodotus 2.114, 118-119," and so ...
by Aetos
Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:39 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι
Replies: 15
Views: 826

Re: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι

jeidsath wrote:I for one have no trouble imagining that Paris' actions towards Helen were of a repeated nature.
Shouldn't that be followed by one of these? :wink:
by Aetos
Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:45 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Bowen's Advanced Greek Unseens
Replies: 69
Views: 2938

Re: Bowen's Advanced Greek Unseens

You may be thinking of Cook and Merchant’s original Advanced Greek Unseens (1898, available on Archive.org). Bowen’s (1980) is an updated version. I did find the edition of "Advanced Greek Unseens" I was paraphrasing on archive.org, however it appears to have been published in 1904 and its editor i...
by Aetos
Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Claxton's "Attica: Intermediate Classical Greek
Replies: 3
Views: 386

Re: Bowen's Advanced Greek Unseens

Hi Mark! Thanks for the status report! I prefer hard copy myself. Aspirational books? I carried 2 in my overnight bag for 30 years: Pharr's Homeric Greek and Scudder's 2nd Year Latin! I'm happy to report I've achieved those 2 aspirations in retirement. Barrett's Hippolytos is now residing on my "asp...
by Aetos
Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:29 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Seneca, epistulae morales, 7th letter
Replies: 4
Views: 357

Re: Seneca, epistulae morales, 7th letter

Richard Gummere (Heinemann, 1953) translates it as "usual pairs": "Many persons prefer this programme to the usual pairs and to the bouts "by request". Bart, I don't know if you have access to it from Belgium, but this is a link to Logeion, which is hosted by the University of Chicago: http://logeio...
by Aetos
Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:46 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Seneca, epistulae morales, 7th letter
Replies: 4
Views: 357

Re: Seneca, epistulae morales, 7th letter

7.4: Hoc plerique ordinariis paribus et postulaticiis praeferunt This is all I could find in the Lewis&Short: B pār, păris, n., a pair: gladiatorum par nobilissimum, Cic. Opt. Gen. Or. 6, 17: ecce tibi geminum in scelere par, id. Phil. 11, 1, 2: par nobile fratrum, Hor. S. 2, 3, 243: par columbarum...
by Aetos
Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:16 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι
Replies: 15
Views: 826

Re: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι

In "Σαν πεθάνω", Mondanaris' lyrics contain "Μάνα μου το στήθος μου πονεί", which admittedly is from the '30s, so perhaps it did make it to somewhat modern times. My father-in-law (ο συγχωρεμένος) used it regularly as we discussed his medical issues, but then he was Pontian and every now and then wo...
by Aetos
Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:22 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Bowen's Advanced Greek Unseens
Replies: 69
Views: 2938

Re: Bowen's Advanced Greek Unseens

From what I read in the Introduction, these passages were intended to broaden the student's vocabulary and acquaint him with a broader range of material from the Greek classics than was possible by reading whole works, thus enabling the student to succeed at a pass examination for a Bachelor's Degre...
by Aetos
Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Claxton's "Attica: Intermediate Classical Greek
Replies: 3
Views: 386

Re: Bowen's Advanced Greek Unseens

Hi Mark,
I just want you to know that it was on your recommendation that I purchased Claxton's "Attica". It's everything you said and more. Hey, and the price was right!
BTW, how are you coming along with it?
by Aetos
Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:30 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Claxton's "Attica: Intermediate Classical Greek
Replies: 3
Views: 386

Claxton's "Attica: Intermediate Classical Greek

This probably belongs in the textbook forum, but I think it may be relevant to this specific circumstance. I've started Cynthia Claxton's "Attica: Intermediate Classical Greek" which is a reader designed to bridge the gap between beginning Greek and reading texts unassisted except for reference gram...
by Aetos
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι
Replies: 15
Views: 826

Re: Agamemnon 402 κλοπαῖσι

There's a discussion in The Poetic Plural of Greek Tragedy, on pg. 103 This is cool. This is Horace Leonard Jones' doctoral thesis, the same Jones who translated Strabo's Geography. I think I've already come across the poetic plural in the Iliad: ‘ἦ δὴ λοίγια ἔργ᾽ ὅ τέ μ᾽ ἐχθοδοπῆσαι ἐφήσεις (a nas...