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by npc
Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:18 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Why study biblical Greek? a Bum Steer
Replies: 16
Views: 2978

Re: Why study biblical Greek? a Bum Steer

This is just silly. Anybody who can read Attic can read "the vast body of literature written in Koine." There seems to be an assumption that the differences between Attic and Koine are so great that there is a learning curve. Well, there is, but if you start with Attic that learning curve is a down...
by npc
Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:26 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Why study biblical Greek? a Bum Steer
Replies: 16
Views: 2978

Re: Why study biblical Greek? a Bum Steer

To contribute something to “the (sadly neglected in this day and age) process of inquiry”: why are you talking as if biblical Greek were the NT alone? Don’t we also have what Christians call the OT in “biblical Greek”? It’s a different sort (or several different sorts) of biblical Greek, to be sure...
by npc
Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:33 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Why study biblical Greek? a Bum Steer
Replies: 16
Views: 2978

Re: Why study biblical Greek? a Bum Steer

Hmmm. Interesting notions. Please allow me to play Devil's advocate and ask a few questions that are intended to promote my understanding of your positions rather than necessarily to promote my own. First, my interest is in both Attic and Koine Greek literature, and I have read multiple texts on bot...
by npc
Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:11 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: biblical greek.
Replies: 2
Views: 887

Re: biblical greek.

bedware is entirely correct that if you learn Attic Greek first then Koine Greek will be a breeze, but if you're already having problems learning Koine, then trying to parse the more difficult Attic texts may be too discouraging. Do what you need to do to be able to continue, and if that's taking sm...
by npc
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What is the imperfect of αἰτέω?
Replies: 8
Views: 1993

Re: What is the imperfect of αἰτέω?

I love Perseus, it's a great tool that I use constantly, but it's not perfect. I've found quite a few errors like this in their library. Again, this isn't meant to criticize Perseus, it's just that when you run into a situation like the one you did, it's certainly appropriate to consider a typo in t...
by npc
Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: imperfect of πειθω?
Replies: 9
Views: 2092

Re: imperfect of πειθω?

The way I found the answer was this: I did a google search on the exact Greek word that was bothering me. Among the hits was a dictionary entry that showed me that I had confused one word with another word. That's my "Hail Mary" play for this kind of problem. I'm curious as to why you'd do a Google...
by npc
Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:39 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: X-Rated Crucifixion
Replies: 23
Views: 4570

Re: X-Rated Crucifixion

I believe it's clear that the chance that this is actually what it purports to be, a translation of a 10th-11th century copy of a 1st century Greek manuscript, is indistinguishable from zero. The idea that the translator would be unwilling to use his or her real name stinks to high heaven. Nonethele...
by npc
Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek harder than Latin?
Replies: 9
Views: 3698

Re: Greek harder than Latin?

Background: I took three semesters of Latin in college, I've learned Greek on my own (much) later in life. I didn't take my Latin studies as seriously as I might have. I've put more energy in my Greek and had the enormous advantage of being able to pursue it at my own pace. My Greek right now is muc...
by npc
Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:23 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Nerdy Classics Majors
Replies: 4
Views: 2443

Re: Nerdy Classics Majors

I wish the ancient writers had access to digital media back in the day. While some of the documents we have now may not have been up to the standards we have come to expect, just think how many more we could access if ancient civilizations had adequate backups. Imagine if folks were standing outside...
by npc
Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:40 am
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Overlap in Greek graded readers.
Replies: 8
Views: 4299

Re: Overlap in Greek graded readers.

In comparing the story of Alcibiades' nervousness (not sure if there is an original source for this)... . It's from Aelian's Varia Historia , Book 2, Chapter 1. The Aelian version is only a little longer, but Morice/Moss have completely rewritten it. Only a few word groups survive unaltered. ...if ...
by npc
Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:49 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: the most essential Ancient Greek text poll
Replies: 18
Views: 5430

Re: the most essential Ancient Greek text poll

daivid wrote: Shakespeare is venerated today in the English speaking world yet his works do not give much insight into the modern world.
I support everything you said up until this point, with which I could not disagree more strongly.
by npc
Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:52 am
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Overlap in Greek graded readers.
Replies: 8
Views: 4299

Re: Overlap in Greek graded readers.

bedwere: Interesting. Certainly, plagiarism (assuming this is an example of such) is not a new concept. I would not be shocked to find the practice dated to as early as a few weeks after the invention of the written word. The example you give is far more comprehensive. We know these aren't the only ...
by npc
Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:31 am
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Overlap in Greek graded readers.
Replies: 8
Views: 4299

Re: Overlap in Greek graded readers.

Markos: You correctly point out the exemplar of this, the William Tell story. As I recall, there are a couple of others in Morice that are obvious anachronisms that, if repeated, could also not possibly have come from a classical source. It certainly seems possible that both books were independently...
by npc
Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:29 am
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Overlap in Greek graded readers.
Replies: 8
Views: 4299

Overlap in Greek graded readers.

So to improve my Greek and keep in practice, I've got a bunch of those books that have adapted small passages in Greek intended for those students who have completed two semesters of Greek but aren't ready to tackle Attic literature head on. I imagine everyone knows what I'm talking about, but some ...
by npc
Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:54 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Easiest Greek & Latin Authors/Texts
Replies: 7
Views: 3427

Re: Easiest Greek & Latin Authors/Texts

IMHO, the Greek New Testament is easier to translate than anything written in Attic Greek. Of these, the gospel and epistles of John seem the most straightforward to me. Not NT, but in a similar vein, the non-canonical Didache and Shepherd of Hermas are also very straightforward to read, as is somet...
by npc
Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:42 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: My requisite first post in this forum.
Replies: 1
Views: 2432

My requisite first post in this forum.

My name is Nick and I live in the United States. I am posting here as requested during the registration process. χαῖρε and ave to each of you.