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--- ## [What's the basis for Burnet's (1901) citation of Ficino?](https://www.textkit.com/t/whats-the-basis-for-burnets-1901-citation-of-ficino/30636)
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I am struggling to trace some of Burnet’s citation in his apparatus criticus. He cites Ficino/Ficinus on 29d1, 37c10, 52c5, 56a5, 60d8. Assuming that Burnet did not use manuscripts, did he use the 1484 Latin translation… --- ## [41e1 / where do I find Heindorf's suggestion?](https://www.textkit.com/t/41e1-where-do-i-find-heindorfs-suggestion/21168)
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Context: In his 1901 edition, Burnet renders 41e1 πῇ δὴ καὶ πῶς; Thus Burnet rejects Heindorf’s suggestion to read ποία instead of πῇ. Heindorf’s suggestion is widely rejected nowadays but was followed, among others, by … --- ## [57d](https://www.textkit.com/t/57d/20374)
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ἀμήχανον ἀκριβείᾳ καὶ ἀληθείᾳ περὶ μέτρα τε καὶ ἀριθμοὺς διαφέρουσιν. is this ἀμήχανον to be taken adverbially? --- ## [58d](https://www.textkit.com/t/58d/20379)
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καὶ νῦν δὴ σφόδρα διανοηθέντες καὶ ἱκανῶς διαλογισάμενοι, μήτ᾽ εἴς τινας ὠφελίας ἐπιστημῶν βλέψαντες μήτε τινὰς εὐδοκιμίας, ἀλλ᾽ εἴ τις πέφυκε τῆς ψυχῆς ἡμῶν δύναμις ἐρᾶν τε τοῦ ἀληθοῦς καὶ πάντα ἕνεκα τούτου πράττειν, τ… --- ## [58cd](https://www.textkit.com/t/58cd/20380)
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καθάπερ τοῦ λευκοῦ πέρι τότε ἔλεγον, κἂν εἰ σμικρόν, καθαρὸν δ᾽ εἴη, τοῦ πολλοῦ καὶ μὴ τοιούτου διαφέρειν, τούτῳ γ᾽ αὐτῷ τῷ ἀληθεστάτῳ as I said then about whiteness, even if small, it was pure (apodotic δε), that it di… --- ## [62c](https://www.textkit.com/t/62c/20383)
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ἀναγκαῖον φαίνεται ἔμοιγε, εἴπερ γε ἡμῶν ὁ βίος ἔσται καὶ ὁπωσοῦν ποτε βίος. How to understand this future? gnomic? present intention? it seems necessary to me, at any rate, if our life is meant to be the way life is. --- ## [63e](https://www.textkit.com/t/63e/20384)
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τὰς δ᾽ ἀεὶ μετ᾽ ἀφροσύνης καὶ τῆς ἄλλης κακίας ἑπομένας πολλή που ἀλογία τῷ νῷ μειγνύναι τὸν βουλόμενον ὅτι καλλίστην ἰδόντα καὶ ἀστασιαστοτάτην μεῖξιν ’ here one participle depends on another, βουλόμενον, ἰδόντα , the … --- ## [67b](https://www.textkit.com/t/67b/20386)
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καὶ τοὺς θηρίων ἔρωτας οἴονται κυρίους εἶναι μάρτυρας μᾶλλον ἢ τοὺς τῶν ἐν μούσῃ φιλοσόφῳ μεμαντευμένων ἑκάστοτε λόγων. I think ἑκάστοτε is put here for some emphasis without actually meaning ‘on each occasion’. --- ## [60c](https://www.textkit.com/t/60c/20382)
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τὸ δὲ ἱκανὸν τελεώτατον ἔχειν. I would expect adv instead of adj. --- ## [56d ὅρος](https://www.textkit.com/t/56d/20373)
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This word in this context means ‘distinction’, not ‘limit’ or ‘boundary’ as all the dictionaries register. Πρώταρχος πῇ ποτε διορισάμενος οὖν ἄλλην, τὴν δὲ ἄλλην θείη τις ἂν ἀριθμητικήν; Σωκράτης οὐ σμικρὸς ὅρος, ὦ Π… --- ## [54c](https://www.textkit.com/t/54c/20366)
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ἑκάστην δὲ γένεσιν ἄλλην ἄλλης οὐσίας τινὸς ἑκάστης ἕνεκα γίγνεσθαι, σύμπασαν δὲ γένεσιν οὐσίας ἕνεκα γίγνεσθαι συμπάσης. How to understand this ἄλλην ἄλλης? each instance of generation is for the sake of a certain be… --- ## [51c](https://www.textkit.com/t/51c/20360)
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εἴ μου μανθάνεις. if you understand me. Why G? LS gives D in such expressions. --- ## [53d](https://www.textkit.com/t/53d/20365)
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τὸ δ᾽ ἐλλιπὲς ἐκείνου. I would expect the comparative ἐλλιπέστερον here. --- ## [50c ff](https://www.textkit.com/t/50c-ff/20358)
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διὰ δὴ τί μάλισθ᾽ ὑπολαμβάνεις με δεῖξαί σοι τὴν ἐν τῇ κωμῳδίᾳ μεῖξιν; ἆρ᾽ οὐ πίστεως χάριν, ὅτι τήν γε ἐν τοῖς φόβοις καὶ ἔρωσι καὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις ῥᾴδιον κρᾶσιν ἐπιδεῖξαι: λαβόντα δὲ τοῦτο παρὰ σαυτῷ ἀφεῖναί με μηκέτι ἐπ᾽ … --- ## [49e](https://www.textkit.com/t/49e/20357)
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κακὸν δ᾽ οὐχ ὁμολογοῦμεν αὐτὴν ἄγνοιάν γε οὖσαν εἶναι; i think either ousan or einai are redundant. --- ## [47b](https://www.textkit.com/t/47b/20353)
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πάντα, ὦ Σώκρατες, τὰ συμβαίνοντα πρὸς τῶν πολλῶν ἀνθρώπων εἰς δόξαν διεπέρανας. The Loeb translation is probably wrong: Socrates, you have described admirably what happens in the case of most people because πρὸς τῶν πο… --- ## [46c τὰ συναμφότερα](https://www.textkit.com/t/46c/20352)
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τὰς δ᾽ αὖ τῆς ψυχῆς καὶ τοῦ σώματος ἀνευρήσομεν λύπας ἡδοναῖς μειχθείσας τοτὲ μὲν ἡδονὰς τὰ συναμφότερα, τοτὲ δὲ λύπας ἐπικαλουμένας. should it be taken as an adverb ‘both’? --- ## [43e lack of agreement](https://www.textkit.com/t/43e-lack-of-agreement/20348)
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τρίτον δὲ τὸ μηδέτερα τούτων. and a bit further: ὅπως θάτερα γένοιτο ἄν, χρυσὸς ἢ ἄργυρος; I would expect medeteron, thateron. --- ## [Phileb., 12c](https://www.textkit.com/t/phileb-12c/20319)
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ἔστι γάρ, ἀκούειν μὲν οὕτως ἁπλῶς, ἕν τι, is this an abs, inf? I think it is usually in ao not in present. --- ## [32d hopelessly corrupt](https://www.textkit.com/t/32d-hopelessly-corrupt/20339)
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This passage seems to be hopelessly corrupt (unless I get it wrong): ἡδονῇ δὲ καὶ λύπῃ, καθάπερ θερμῷ καὶ ψυχρῷ καὶ πᾶσι τοῖς τοιούτοις, τοτὲ μὲν ἀσπαστέον αὐτά, if the dative of ἡδονῇ etc is ruled by the verbal adject… --- ## [Pjileb 33c](https://www.textkit.com/t/pjileb-33c/20341)
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καὶ τῷ νῷ πρὸς τὰ δευτερεῖα, ἐὰν μὴ πρὸς τὰ πρωτεῖα δυνώμεθα προσθεῖναι, προσθήσομεν. This is quoted in LS still i do not get it: what do we add to what? Do we add to the mind? or to the second prize? Would it not be ea… --- ## [Phileb, 28a](https://www.textkit.com/t/phileb-28a/20336)
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οὐ γάρ μοι δοκεῖ σμικρὸς ἡμῖν εἶναι ὁ κίνδυνος κατορθώσασι καὶ μὴ περὶ τὸ νῦν ἐρωτώμενον it seems to me that we are running not a small danger whether we set it right or not about what is asked. I am not sure if my und… --- ## [22e](https://www.textkit.com/t/22e/20333)
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οὔτ᾽ ἂν τῶν πρωτείων οὐδ᾽ αὖ τῶν δευτερείων ἡδονῇ μετὸν ἀληθῶς ἄν ποτε λέγοιτο: I would expect inf μέτειναι instead of participle. --- ## [14d](https://www.textkit.com/t/14d/20320)
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τοῖς λόγοις ἐμπόδια ὑπολαμβανόντων γίγνεσθαι, it obstructs the arguments of the interpreters/speculators. What is the meaning of ὑπολαμβανόντων here? --- ## [phileb, 20d](https://www.textkit.com/t/phileb-20d/20330)
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καὶ πάντων γε εἰς τοῦτο διαφέρειν τῶν ὄντων. is this infinitive still dependent on αναγκη before? --- ## [16c](https://www.textkit.com/t/16c/20327)
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ὡς ἐξ ἑνὸς μὲν καὶ πολλῶν ὄντων τῶν ἀεὶ λεγομένων εἶναι, πέρας δὲ καὶ ἀπειρίαν ἐν αὑτοῖς σύμφυτον ἐχόντων. this case belongs to Sm 2122 however, what is einai doing here? --- ## [15d](https://www.textkit.com/t/15d/20324)
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πόθεν οὖν τις ταύτης ἄρξηται πολλῆς οὔσης καὶ παντοίας περὶ τὰ ἀμφισβητούμενα μάχης why is the art omitted with dem pr and maxes? because of some emotion expressed? --- ## [15a](https://www.textkit.com/t/15a/20321)
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ἡ πολλὴ σπουδὴ μετὰ διαιρέσεως ἀμφισβήτησις γίγνεται. the commentary says ἡ πολλὴ σπουδὴ should be emended into D