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Did the name Δαναοί used to have another consonant?

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Did the name Δαναοί used to have another consonant?

Postby ἑκηβόλος » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:50 am

Is there internal evidence in Greek that the name Δαναοί used to have another consonant before the ending? I.e. Δανα?οί

Is this the correct form of the hieroglyph of the name of the land of the Δαναοί (Tinay).

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[i.e. MdC. ti*i:n:A*Z4-!]

In Cline's 2011 article on the Aegean people (page 8 ), it is not the clearest part of the picture.

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I sang of the daedal Earth,
And of Heaven -- and the giant wars,
And Love, and Death, and Birth, --
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Re: Did the name Δαναοί used to have another consonant?

Postby donhamiltontx » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:19 pm

ἑκηβόλος wrote:Is there internal evidence in Greek that the name Δαναοί used to have another consonant before the ending? I.e. Δανα?οί


If it helps, Pierre Chantraine’s Dictionnaire Étymologique de la Langue Grecque, Histoire des mots (Paris: Klincksieck, 1968) has this entry on page 251, which indicates no additional letters:

Δαναοί. m. pl. nom d’une tribu grecque, employé également par Homère pour désigner les Grecs en général ; la légende rattache le nom au roi d’Argos Danaos venu d’Égypte. Superlatif Δαναώτατος (Ar.)*. Dérivés Δανάιδες filles de Danaos, Δαναḯδαι fils de Danaos.
Hypothèse de Kretschmer, Gl.** 24, 1936, 15 sqq.

* (Ar.) = Aristophanes
** Gl = the journal Glotta. Goettingen
ἐς Τροίαν πειρώμενοι ἦνθον ᾿Αχαιοί,
καλλίστα παίδων: πείρᾳ θην πάντα τελεῖται.
Theocritus, Idyll 15
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Re: Did the name Δαναοί used to have another consonant?

Postby Barry Hofstetter » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:33 pm

Wouldn't there then be compensatory lengthening, so that the -α- would be long?
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Re: Did the name Δαναοί used to have another consonant?

Postby jeidsath » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:06 pm

Here is one source that expounds that theory:

https://books.google.com/books?id=NMkUA ... &q&f=false

Despite the references in Mycenaean, I see no entry for Dana(w)oi in Palmer's index, so I imagine that it's a reconstruction and not an actual word claimed for a tablet somewhere.
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Re: Did the name Δαναοί used to have another consonant?

Postby mwh » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:25 pm

There’s an intriguing and well-informed “reconstruction” of the first 100 lines of the Iliad into Mycenaean by Rob Wiseman. Of course he doesn’t pretend there ever was such a thing.

Accessible at https://vdocuments.mx/a-mycenaean-iliad.html

On Δαναοί he says:
“There has been much unsuccessful conjecture on Δαναοί. The only
plausible external reference appears on a number of Egyptian monuments: in
particular the mortuary temple of Amenhotep III (c. 1350 BCE). It contains a
list of ‘countries of the north of Asia’, including the geographically-close
Kft(y)w (Keftiu, Crete) and Tɩ̓nꜢy, (Tanaya or Tinay) which has been read as
Danaya. Assuming the association of Danaans and Tanaya is correct, I have
used *{Danay}-, as it provides the correct declension for Homer, along with
related names, such as Δανάη, Danaē, the Mother of Perseus.”
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Re: Did the name Δαναοί used to have another consonant?

Postby Hylander » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:21 am

ka te ba qe te e pe ra ja me ta ga la ko no a ri to no po se ka sa me no qe te wo ka sa ma se wo re te qo lo me no te a sa ta . . .
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Re: Did the name Δαναοί used to have another consonant?

Postby ἑκηβόλος » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:20 pm

Hylander wrote:se wo re te

Wouldn't that have been alpha pura?

Hylander wrote:...

Any thoughts as to whether the adjectival use of the following relative was an extention of its allowable syntactic usage as Greek developed (ie encroaching on or supplanting the adjectival ποῖος), or did it always perform that adjectival syntactic function from protohellenic times? Ie. qi to po or qo jo to po perhaps? To state my question another way, was this relative originally limited to preducative syntactic slots, but then later was allowed in attributive slots, and in juxtaposition?
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I sang of the daedal Earth,
And of Heaven -- and the giant wars,
And Love, and Death, and Birth, --
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