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Where is the nominative? I must be blind.

Thanks in advance.
Smyth wrote:the separation of words naturally belonging together
spiphany wrote:Greek word order is pretty free (I think there are some tendencies as to the placement of the verb, subject, etc, but I'm not qualified to make any kind of statement there).
Sinister Petrus wrote:spiphany wrote:Greek word order is pretty free (I think there are some tendencies as to the placement of the verb, subject, etc, but I'm not qualified to make any kind of statement there).
Yeah, it is fairly free, but I noticed that Herodotus seems to favor this sort of thing (please excuse the hacked up English example):
The army assembled its supplies, [the army] having received the command from the king saying, "Tomorrow Persia is our target."
And that's about the conceptual order ol' boy H was doing it in. The first bit might be "the army supplies assembled" in the Greek, but then there would be some aorist participle modifying "the army" immediately after the main verb. I don't know how much hyperbaton that is, but the participle is definitely away from its antecedent.
Then later in the sentence "the king saying" is more of a typical word order.
Anyway, I noticed that sort of pattern in Herodotus. He seems to prefer to clump stuff conceptually, then run in participles modifying after that—or sometimes before, which always felt a bit trickier to me. If the participle is separated from what it modifies, so be it.
Sinister Petrus wrote:The army assembled its supplies, [the army] having received the command from the king saying, "Tomorrow Persia is our target."
And that's about the conceptual order ol' boy H was doing it in. The first bit might be "the army supplies assembled" in the Greek, but then there would be some aorist participle modifying "the army" immediately after the main verb. I don't know how much hyperbaton that is, but the participle is definitely away from its antecedent.
spiphany wrote:I'm not sure whether I would necessarily consider this hyperbaton or not (at least the way Smyth defines it), just word order that's unnatural in English. Hyperbaton seems to involve violating phrase and/or clause boundaries (i.e., parts of prepositional phrases should stay together, attributive adjectives stay with their nouns, direct objects appear in the same clause as the verb which governs them, etc).
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