pster wrote:So I am thinking about reading Thucydides this year. It is about 700 pages. So 2 pages a day should do it. Anybody interested?
pster wrote:Well, I just did a massive amount of French reading (5hrs/day for four months), so I am ready to do something similar with Greek. How many pages a day would you want to do? What do you think of 2/day? Does that strike you as too little?
pster wrote:Well, I love GFS Porson. I haven't given much thought to how I want to read it. I am not going to do anything until the beginning of the year anyway. We should wait and see what others think. When I read Greek on the computer it is because I want to make use of the hyperlinked LSJ through a Perseus text. But if you want to pull off 8 pdfs of Thucydides in GFS Porson I won't stop you. Perhaps I will print them out rather than buy the Oxford. I like big fonts.
pster wrote:No, I don't need it to be searchable, because I would only use it to print out a hard copy.
pster wrote:Only because you say it is so easy. I have other resources for printing texts. I have this site set up with Porson on my browser and I usually use it for printing: http://mercure.fltr.ucl.ac.be/Hodoi/con ... #thucydide (It is down at the moment, so you can't see much; goes down every night it seems.) They have good tools for creating vocabulary lists.
spiphany wrote:My impression is that Xenophon is easier if you haven't read a lot of prose. (We read parts of Kyrou paideia in a second-year Greek course). The annoying thing about Thucydides is that his sentences seem to go on forever. I haven't read much by him at all, though, so I can't say a lot about his style or relative difficulty.
Lucian (A True History) is another option if you want to read prose and want a break from philosophy.
I can't promise I'll be able to participate, although it would be a good way to keep my hand in with Greek. Perhaps I can bring the text along to read during my 12+ hours sitting in an airplane in January.
jaihare wrote:I've deleted all of the files associated with the links above.
SBL Greek: PDF (1,061 KB)
GFS Porson: PDF (484 KB)
I found a way to reduce the file size of the Porson formatting.So, now it's much smaller — which means short upload and download time. (You're welcome!) I hope you like how it looks. I'll be using the SBL Greek, since I like it better.
Anyway, these files contain all 146 sections of the first book of the Peloponnesian War.
I have maintained the structure of the Perseus text, just cleaning things up (such as the use of : instead of · throughout the text, the appearance of the parentheses from their site, non-breaking spaces after closing square brackets, etc.). The text is faithful to the Perseus edition in all of the body of the text. This will be my intention as I put together all of these files.
Can you put together vocabulary lists for the text? If you make the vocab lists and I put together the printable text, we can both invest in the project and enjoy it more.
I wonder if Nate or anyone else would like to join us in this endeavor?
pster wrote:Maybe we should do 1 page per day for the first book, just so people get their bearings. And I was thinking about formally starting the second week of Jan, so say Jan 8.
Bob Manske wrote:I'd like to read with you. I have the OCT. How is this reading group going to work?
Bob
Bob Manske wrote:I'd like to read with you. I have the OCT. How is this reading group going to work?
Bob
jaihare wrote:Bob Manske wrote:I'd like to read with you. I have the OCT. How is this reading group going to work?
Bob
Good question. I won't be able to comment much at all. I want to read for my passive skills. I won't be translating or working through things very deeply. I want more exposure than anything. I don't know what others are expecting.
C. S. Bartholomew wrote:I know for sure I could not read Thucydides at the rate of two pages a day. I have the first vol of Thucydides LCL 1924. I might comment occasionally once the thread gets underway. The reading level is quite different depending on the genre. The narrative history is not as difficult as the orations. Narrative has a higher level of standard vocabulary.
Baker wrote:
I have read Thucydides more than once in English translation, having only encountered the Greek in small chunks at varying times. I studied the book in detail both as an undergraduate and graduate student as well as private readings on my own time. I have studied Greek both inside and outside a classroom in fits and starts for the past 7 years. Alas, my mastery is far from complete.
As far as this thread goes, I have a few questions and comments. First, what do you mean by 1 page a day. Would that be a chapter as at the Perseus website and Oxford edition? Second, I think you will find that Thucydides is as much philosophy as anyone though the style is admittedly different from, say, Aristotle. It is political philosophy at its finest. Following some of the orations and their "logic", as you call it, can and should be as difficult and rewarding as Plato. Third, I wouldn't worry too much about the vocabulary. Thucydides shouldn't have as many unique words as Herodotus simply because the focus is wildly different.
jaihare wrote:When are we going to get started? New Year is tomorrow!!
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