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Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby Jeff Tirey » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:54 pm

Hi All,

I updated the forum last night. Today I will be moving Textkit to a new platform under wordpress. After there move, there will still be plenty of big changes and work to be done, so if you see something you don't like - let me know because I'll be listening and there's more work to be done.

Last night, I did some reading on forums with this simple question in mind, 'how to make forums easier to use?' If you have thoughts on that, please share. I do no that I'll be condensing some of the boards that are not used too much and I''ll be working with rss feeds to better bring out out both new and active threads across textkit.

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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby Hampie » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:14 pm

Perhaps you could add macron-buttons for those who are not able to type in macrons?
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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby Jeff Tirey » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:19 pm

Hi Hampie,

I'll research how to customize the button menu on the forum post page to get diacritics in. Should be able to get that done.
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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby jaihare » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:51 am

I think it would be nice if we had a font that was more Unicode-compliant. :)

When we type in Greek, the diacritical marks are not supported by the current font, and they are chosen from another font to substitute. It makes the text really unattractive - plus the look of the letter chi (χ) is unattractive altogether. Could you use a more universal font? That would be fantastic!!

Currently, the stylesheet is set to use Trebuchet MS as the basic font, and after that it searches for Greek polytonic replacements in the font Arial (which in its most recent releases supports Unicode very nicely). If you switched Trebuchet MS to Verdana, at least that would correct the chi problem, but it will still search for polytonics in Arial. If you just switched to Arial, it would be uglier, but it would be Unicode-ready. What do you think?

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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby Scribo » Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:39 pm

I love it. Also, the macra thing would be so sweet, like loukoumia with greek coffee followed by fried honey whilst listening to Homer.

EDIT: What about rep? customisable titles? Ειμι ο Ραψωιδος!!!
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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby jaihare » Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:37 pm

Well, my post above didn't get a response. ;)

So, is there any way that you could just add a [font] tag to the forum? It would at least be nice to be able to change the font to Gentium or at least Palatino Linotype to represent the Greek text better.

What do you say?



If it were up to me, I would code the forum's .css file to include:

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.postbody {
   font-family: gentium, palatino linotype, times new roman, serif;
}


Either that, or create a [gr] tag that would let us stylize the font to Greek.

Currently, your stylesheet has nothing to capture a true Greek font. There isn't a single font face control in the postbody class.

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.postbody {
   padding: 0;
   line-height: 1.48em;
   color: #333333;
   width: 76%;
   float: left;
   clear: both;
}

.postbody .ignore {
   font-size: 1.1em;
}

.postbody h3.first {
   /* The first post on the page uses this */
   font-size: 1.7em;
}

.postbody h3 {
   /* Postbody requires a different h3 format - so change it here */
   font-size: 1.5em;
   padding: 2px 0 0 0;
   margin: 0 0 0.3em 0 !important;
   text-transform: none;
   border: none;
   font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
   line-height: 125%;
}

.postbody h3 img {
   /* Also see tweaks.css */
   vertical-align: bottom;
}

.postbody .content {
   font-size: 1.3em;
}

.search .postbody {
   width: 68%
}


So, you could just add to the postbody definitions like this:

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.postbody {
   font-family: gentium, palatino linotype, serif;
   padding: 0;
   line-height: 1.48em;
   color: #333333;
   width: 76%;
   float: left;
   clear: both;
}


Something similar. I just think it would make posting Greek so much more attractive.

These are just suggestions. You could come up with a different solution, but surely you see the aesthetic problems of the current font set in Greek, don't you?

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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby jaihare » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:39 pm

By the way, I tried to download one of the texts, and it requested that I sign into WordPress. I didn't have a WordPress login, so I registered. It said that it would send me an e-mail, but it never did. I then went to request a fresh password, and it gave me an error. Do you know if it's working correctly?

Oh, I'm not the only one with this problem: http://www.textkit.com/answers/15/why-a ... -documents

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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby Lex » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:24 am

Testing the look of the fonts....

Μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος
οὐλομένην, ἣ μυρί’ Ἀχαιοῖς ἄλγε’ ἔθηκε,
πολλὰς δ’ ἰφθίμους ψυχὰς Ἄϊδι προΐαψεν
ἡρώων, αὐτοὺς δὲ ἑλώρια τεῦχε κύνεσσιν
οἰωνοῖσί τε πᾶσι· Διὸς δ’ ἐτελείετο βουλή,
ἐξ οὗ δὴ τὰ πρῶτα διαστήτην ἐρίσαντε
Ἀτρεΐδης τε ἄναξ ἀνδρῶν καὶ δῖος Ἀχιλλεύς.

[edit] Hmmmm.... I dunno, looks OK to me on Windows Vista Home Premium/IE 8. I would like a built-in Greek keyboard popup or something, though.
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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby jaihare » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:59 am

Lex wrote:Testing the look of the fonts....

Μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος
οὐλομένην, ἣ μυρί’ Ἀχαιοῖς ἄλγε’ ἔθηκε,
πολλὰς δ’ ἰφθίμους ψυχὰς Ἄϊδι προΐαψεν
ἡρώων, αὐτοὺς δὲ ἑλώρια τεῦχε κύνεσσιν
οἰωνοῖσί τε πᾶσι· Διὸς δ’ ἐτελείετο βουλή,
ἐξ οὗ δὴ τὰ πρῶτα διαστήτην ἐρίσαντε
Ἀτρεΐδης τε ἄναξ ἀνδρῶν καὶ δῖος Ἀχιλλεύς.

[edit] Hmmmm.... I dunno, looks OK to me on Windows Vista Home Premium/IE 8. I would like a built-in Greek keyboard popup or something, though.



The non-diacritic characters are displayed in the font Verdana, while the polytonic characters are displayed in the font Arial. Do you not see that these are distinct fonts in the display? On my screen, the polytonic characters are bigger than the non-polytonic ones. Additionally, for whatever reason, the χ (chi) in the font Verdana does not even descended below the lower line. It's just odd.

Of course the whole thing displays as sans-serif polytonic Greek. Do you see a difference in the size of these two epsilons? εἐ - For me, the epsilon with the smooth breathing is a bit taller than the one without. It's the same with all of the diacritical characters.

This is why I think a font that has full Latin and Greek support (like Gentium) would be advisable for the main font. It could be embedded with the stylesheet even.

At least having a tag that would allow Greek text to take on a single polytonics-supporting font would be really welcome. It could be labelled [el] or [gr], but something like that would be nice.

(I have a [gr] tag that I created on my forums, and it works very nicely to easily set off Greek text. I use GFS Porson as the main font.)
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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby mingshey » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:12 am

Tahoma as well works okay with polytonic Greek, if everyone likes the look of it. But I'd love it if a beautiful serif font(such as Palatino Linotype, Gentium, or GFS Porson, etc.) is supported for Greek.
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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby jaihare » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:38 am

By the way, Gentium's license allows for non-commercial sites to embed the font. It is legal, just so you know.
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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby jaihare » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:43 am

mingshey wrote:Tahoma as well works okay with polytonic Greek, if everyone likes the look of it. But I'd love it if a beautiful serif font(such as Palatino Linotype, Gentium, or GFS Porson, etc.) is supported for Greek.


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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby Lex » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:49 am

Jason,

I do see a small difference between the size of the vowels with and without diacritical marks, and the chi does not extend below the baseline. But it still seems readable enough to me. Maybe not optimal, but not a showstopper. Certainly better than the fonts in some textbooks I have seen.

However, for whatever reason, the Greek in my post looks different to me than the same text in the quote block in your responding post. The diacritical marks appear to be "squished up" against the letters in your post. That is odd, and somewhat more annoying, I must confess.

The problem with fonts such as Gentium, though, is that they are not standard with some operating systems, e.g. Windows 7 (at least according to a Windows 7 font list I just Googled). So machines without Gentium would have to fall back on more standard fonts anyway. And if they can't, this could confuse and turn off potential new textkittens. Also, since Jeff is concerned about making Textkit better for users of non-traditional browsing devices (pads and phones), that raises the question of what fonts are supported on these?

Anyway, all these suggestions about how Textkit should be remind me of Aesop's fable of the miller and the donkey. I am just grateful to Jeff for all the hard work involved, and am willing to live with minor imperfections.
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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby Jeff Tirey » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:47 pm

I have been monitoring this thread and I WILL make some suggested changes. I can't say exactly when just yet, but I just wanted to let everyone in this thread know that your comments have not gone unnoticed.

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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby Jeff Tirey » Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:49 pm

Hi All,

I'm sorry for all the server outages. I'll be working on the server this weekend to determine and fix the problem.

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Re: Moving Textkit To New Platform Today

Postby Jeff Tirey » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:50 pm

Hi All,

Just a quick update to say that I migrated Textkit to a new server today. Everything appears to be running normal. If you spot any problems that you think I should know about - please contact me via the form or email me directly to jeff AT pre23 DOT com

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