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Difficulty tranlating two sentences

Postby tkimmer » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:19 pm

Hi, can anyone help me with the following two sentences. I'm pretty sure I have all the words correctly translated, but just not sure how to put them together! Thanks...

ου γαρ περι τον επιτυχοντοσ ο λογοσ, αλλα περι τον οντινα τροπον χρη ζην.  

Ώ παι, γένοίο πατρος ευτυχεστερος.

  
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Re: Difficulty tranlating two sentences

Postby NateD26 » Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:24 am

I think the first one should read:
οὐ γὰρ περὶ τοῦ ἐπιτυχόντος ὁ λόγος, ἀλλὰ περὶ τοῦ ὅντινα τρόπον χρὴ ζῆν.
For the story is not about any common matter*, but about in whichever manner one must live.

* LSJ ἐπιτυγχάνω Ι. 4.

The second is a future wish:
Ὦ παῖ, γένοιο πατρὸς εὐτυχέστερος.
O my child, may you be more fortunate than your father.
Nate.
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Re: Difficulty tranlating two sentences

Postby Imber Ranae » Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:28 am

A few tips:

οὐ γὰρ περὶ τοῦ ἐπιτυχόντος ὁ λόγος, ἀλλὰ περὶ τοῦ ὅντινα τρόπον χρὴ ζῆν.


The second clause has an articular infinitive, which is object of the preposition περὶ: περὶ τοῦ ... ζῆν "about living..."

An indefinite relative clause subordinate to the infinitive comes between it and the article: ...ὅντινα τρόπον χρὴ... "...in whatever manner [one] must..." (ὅντινα τρόπον seems to be accusative of respect, and ἐστί is implied, as per usual, with χρὴ)


Ὦ παῖ, γένοιο πατρὸς εὐτυχέστερος.


πατρὸς is genitive of comparison.
Ex mala malo
bono malo uesci
quam ex bona malo
malo malo malo.
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