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Why Accusative: O, miseros nautas....

Postby pmda » Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:34 pm

In LLPSI cap. XX Orberg has Aemilia say:

O, miseros nautas, qui numquam domum revertentur! O, miseros liberos nautarum, qui post hanc tempestatem patres suos non videbunt!"

Clearly she's not addressing the nautae nor the liberi and so they could not be in vocative case.

But why accusative?

..and why especially when they are both the subject of the sentences (that end in passive verbs)?

Does the exclamation 'O!' take accusative the object which follows...? That would seem the most likely reason to me.
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Re: Why Accusative: O, miseros nautas....

Postby adrianus » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:29 pm

"Miseros nautas!" = "What wretched sailors!"
pmda wrote:Does the exclamation 'O!' take accusative the object which follows...? That would seem the most likely reason to me.

Yes indeed, accusative in exclamations! Ita quidem, exclamationis est accusativo casui servire.
just as in "Silly me!" // sicut "Me miserum!"
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Re: Why Accusative: O, miseros nautas....

Postby Perseus » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:21 am

Have you seen this dedicated forum to LLPSI?
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11400
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Re: Why Accusative: O, miseros nautas....

Postby adrianus » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:28 pm

Yes. So what! There is nothing helpful there on this topic.
Iterum. Quid meâ refert? Nihil ibi est quod hanc rem spectat.
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Re: Why Accusative: O, miseros nautas....

Postby Perseus » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:37 pm

And now you are spamming the forum by saying the same thing in multiple places. :?
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Re: Why Accusative: O, miseros nautas....

Postby adrianus » Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:51 am

It's not spamming to try to restore sense to a thread in responding to a spam. Nor am I repeating myself in any way.
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