discunt a magistro
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discunt a magistro
In libro suo LLPSI Orberg rogat: Quid magister pueros docet?
Estne responsum rectum (cum ablativo) est: Pueri numeros et litteras discunt a magistro.
Estne responsum rectum (cum ablativo) est: Pueri numeros et litteras discunt a magistro.
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Re: discunt a magistro
I think that does work, though it is perhaps best for you to rewrite your answer with the teacher as subject. That way you are answering more directly the question asked, i.e., you are saying what the teacher teaches, not what the children learn.pmda wrote:In libro suo LLPSI Orberg rogat: Quid magister pueros docet?
Estne responsum rectum (cum ablativo) est: Pueri numeros et litteras discunt a magistro.
To answer with the students as subject, you would most likely use a passive form of doceo as your verb.
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Re: discunt a magistro
Thanks: Pueri multas res magistro docentur.
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No worries.pmda wrote:Thanks: Pueri multas res magistro docentur.
Though that should be "a magistro", otherwise it suggests that the teacher is teaching the children unwittingly, or against his will. There's a memorable example of this in Jones and Sidwell's Reading Latin: "uxore paene constrictus", means "almost strangled by his wife", but only "ab uxore paene constrictus" means she did it on purpose.
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Thanks. Actually I've been wondering about that. Was about to type 'a magistro' and then decided not to. I'm not quite clear in what circumstances it is and isn't used. It seems, as you suggest, that if the relationship is purely instrumental - e.g. Puer pugnis pugnat - the boy fights with his fists. Or Iulius equo vehitur but if it's intentional in some way you get Puer a magistro verberatur. But you could have Puer baculo magistro verberatur. Is there a rule / guideline about this. Many thanks.
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Not so, unless the teacher is a puppet. // Minimè, nisi automaton magister.pmda wrote:But you could have Puer baculo magistro verberatur.
Magister puerum baculo verberat. VEL Puer à magistro baculo (vel per baculum, si mavis) verberatur.
As Craig_Thomas says // Ut dicit Craig_Thomas:pmda wrote:Is there a rule / guideline about this.
http://www.hhhh.org/perseant/libellus/a ... e.405.html
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qVpM ... rb&f=false
I'm writing in Latin hoping for correction, and not because I'm confident in how I express myself. Latinè scribo ut ab omnibus corrigar, non quod confidenter me exprimam.
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Thanks Adrianus
How would I write: the boy was beaten by the master with a stick. ?
Puer cum bacculo verberatus est a magistro. ?
How would I write: the boy was beaten by the master with a stick. ?
Puer cum bacculo verberatus est a magistro. ?
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Re: discunt a magistro
Jam suprà spriptum est // It is already written above:
* The use of "per" and "cum" isn't good, really // Verum dicere, non bonum est usum "per" et "cum" praepositionumPuer à magistro baculo * verberatur.
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thanks.
Puer cum bacculo verberatus est a magistro. ? would mean that the boy and the stick were beaten by the teacher....?
Puer cum bacculo verberatus est a magistro. ? would mean that the boy and the stick were beaten by the teacher....?
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The boy with the stick (who had a stick) was beaten (maybe because he HAD a stick and wasn't supposed to) // Puer baculum habens verberatus est (qui forsitàn habuerit quod non habendum fuerat)
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Thanks Adrianus. Back to my studies.