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"apud" - anyway to check if "in" or "near"?

Postby Mic_ » Sun Oct 03, 2010 4:54 pm

Hello everyone in the Textkit forum!

I'm posting this to see if anyone can give me a hand, by trying to assure me if in the following sentence, "apud" means "in Rome" or "near Rome":

"...quas tibi tradidimus apud Romam..."

If anyone can help me on this - if possible justifying it with grammar rules - I would be immensely grateful! :D
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Re: "apud" - anyway to check if "in" or "near"?

Postby thesaurus » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:33 pm

I'm pretty sure it means "near," as in "...which we related to you near Rome..."

If it were simply "at Rome," it is more likely that the author would have used the locative form, "Romae."

It might help to have more context from the sentence, too.
Horae quidem cedunt et dies et menses et anni, nec praeteritum tempus umquam revertitur nec quid sequatur sciri potest. Quod cuique temporis ad vivendum datur, eo debet esse contentus. --Cicero, De Senectute
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Re: "apud" - anyway to check if "in" or "near"?

Postby adrianus » Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:50 pm

Often in Vulgar/Later Latin "apud" or "in" before the placename serves for the locative, note also. Classically, as you say, thesaurus.
Et hoc nota: vulgari serioreque in sermone "apud" seu "in" ante loci nomen pro casu locativo non rarò substituitur. Si classicè autem dicitur, "apud" praepositio "prope" significare potest, ut rectè dicit thesaurus.
I'm writing in Latin hoping for correction, and not because I'm confident in how I express myself. Latinè scribo ut ab omnibus corrigar, non quod confidenter me exprimam.
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Re: "apud" - anyway to check if "in" or "near"?

Postby Mic_ » Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:30 pm

First of all, thanks to thesaurus and adrianus.

I've made a thorough investigation about the context in which this medieval latin term was used, and I reached the conclusion that in legal documents, "apud" was used with "at" meaning.

The latin "in" before the name of a city, was used to refer to any part inside the limits of the city or of the land (a more restrict area), while "apud" was used to refer a more general location, or with the limits less defined.
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