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aorist participle or imperative?Thuc. 1.124.2

Postby chibibaiyun » Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:12 am

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[2] ἀλλὰ νομίσαντες ἐς ἀνάγκην ἀφῖχθαι, ὦ ἄνδρες ξύμμαχοι, καὶ ἅμα τάδε ἄριστα λέγεσθαι, ψηφίσασθε τὸν πόλεμον μὴ φοβηθέντες τὸ αὐτίκα δεινόν, τῆς δ᾽ ἀπ᾽ αὐτοῦ διὰ πλείονος εἰρήνης ἐπιθυμήσαντες: ἐκ πολέμου μὲν γὰρ εἰρήνη μᾶλλον βεβαιοῦται, ἀφ᾽ ἡσυχίας δὲ μὴ πολεμῆσαι οὐχ ὁμοίως ἀκίνδυνον.

question:let's focus on these two aorist participles, "νομίσαντες...ἐπιθυμήσαντες", which seem to have the meaning of imperatives,especially the second one; but I can't check it in Smy.

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Re: aorist participle or imperative?Thuc. 1.124.2

Postby modus.irrealis » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:21 pm

Yes, it's very common for participles to take on the mood of the main verb, so in this case ψηφίσασθε is imperative and thus the participles that agree with its subject also have an imperative force. I know this happens a lot in the New Testament, where it's easier for me to find examples, like ἐγερθεὶς ἆρόν σου τὴν κλίνην from Matthew which can be translated as "rise and take...", and in fact Mark in the equivalent passage has ἔγειρε καὶ ἆρον τὸν κράββατόν σου (I suspect the participle construction was considered more elegant -- at least it seems that way to me.)

A quick search of Smyth or Goodwin didn't find anything, but I'll take another look later on.
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Re: aorist participle or imperative?Thuc. 1.124.2

Postby chibibaiyun » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:36 pm

I strongly believe you are right; and if you find any explanation from Smy or Gwn, please post it to me!

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Re: aorist participle or imperative?Thuc. 1.124.2

Postby NateD26 » Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:33 pm

I cannot find anything in Smyth but it makes sense that a participle can stand for the finite imperative,
just as it does for any other mood.

Read note #7 in This pdf.
Also, this short article by Bob Mounce.
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Re: aorist participle or imperative?Thuc. 1.124.2

Postby Imber Ranae » Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:50 pm

A textbook example of a Greek aorist participle with acquired imperative force is the famous Spartan challenge Μολὼν λαβέ "having come, take [them]" i.e. "come and get them!", referring to the weapons the Persians had demanded they surrender.
Ex mala malo
bono malo uesci
quam ex bona malo
malo malo malo.
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