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Thuc. 1.83.3

Postby chibibaiyun » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:22 am

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πορισώμεθα οὖν πρῶτον αὐτήν, καὶ μὴ τοῖς τῶν ξυμμάχων λόγοις πρότερον ἐπαιρώμεθα, οἵπερ δὲ καὶ τῶν ἀποβαινόντων τὸ πλέον ἐπ᾽ ἀμφότερα τῆς αἰτίας ἕξομεν, οὗτοι καὶ καθ᾽ ἡσυχίαν τι αὐτῶν προΐδωμεν.

question:here οἵπερ and οὗτοι are relative prons? why the case is normative? a normative pron relative is necessary? I feel much weird!
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Re: Thuc. 1.83.3

Postby modus.irrealis » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:26 pm

The structure of the the second part that starts οἵπερ δὲ... is

we who will have most of the responsibility... should also take thought for...

So οἵπερ is a relative pronoun but it refers forward to οὗτοι. The tricky thing is that they both refer to "we", and οὗτος can be used to refer to the first person.
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Re: Thuc. 1.83.3

Postby chibibaiyun » Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:11 pm

thanks a lot!
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