scrambledeggs wrote:To poster above who laughed at Daitz's recording; all I can say, is that his pronunciation is based on evidence, and the style he delivers it is modelled on formal oratory, and is exaggerated on purpose.
scrambledeggs wrote:I hate to have to reenter this subject, but my distaste of ignorance requires me to speak.
Mastronarde's reader has an American accent and is not pronouncing wholly in the restored classical way. For one, she aspirates the bilabial in παιδίον, pronouncing it incorrectly as a phi. (L'Americaine!) She also doesn't use the pitch accent, but the anachronistic stress accent which is not part of Attic; and note that Mastronarde's site is for learning Attic. (Although he himself instructs his beginner students that it isn't necessary to practice the pitch accent themselves, I would have wished for his site to at least demonstrate it). The reader also makes the omicron sound too open for my taste, making it sound like a short alpha; defendable, perhaps, but creating homophones where none need be. However, these issues aside, her pronunciation is good, although I still maintain if you want 100% dedication to the what the classical sound was most likely, Daitz is the standard.
To poster above who laughed at Daitz's recording; all I can say, is that his pronunciation is based on evidence, and the style he delivers it is modelled on formal oratory, and is exaggerated on purpose.
spiphany wrote:The recordings by Mastronarde and Daitz have very different goals -- Mastronarde is more focused on providing a general sense of the pronunciation of individual letters and words, Daitz with the pronunciation of extended passages.
I'm not quite sure what your criteria are for a recording, or what you're looking for -- pronunciation of lists of words for vocabulary memorization? The best recitation style? Are you only interested in the reconstructed pronunciation or will anything work, as long as it's self-consistent?
I have a list here of all the recordings I've been able to find, excluding specifically koine/new testament-oriented recordings. Most are available online, so you can sample and decide for yourself which you like best.
I find Daitz takes some getting used to and purely aesthetically I don't like his stuff as much as some of the others. My feelings about the "Speaking Greek" audio are similar.
I like the Homeric recitations by Annis, Shaw and Andrews. I also find Stefan Hagel's recordings quite appealing.
Mind you, this evaluation is based on my personal taste -- it's NOT a critique of how accurately they manage to realize the reconstructed pronunciation, whether they get the pitch accents "right", etc.
Markos wrote:Hey, Brenda, I just wanted to say that your site which has links to all these audios is the best such site I have found. I have recommended it often on other forums. The Athenaze sound files found there are very helpful in my opinion.
I do not want to weigh in on the pronunciation debate other than to say I completely agree with you that it is all a matter of taste and I am convinced that which pronunciation one chooses has zero effect on how fluent one becomes. Daitz sounds utterly ridiculous to me, but I know that is just me and it means nothing, I know that my American Erasmian accent sounds terrible to both native Greeks and classicists and that means nothing too.
Also, Brenda you should know, per our off-list e-mails that we did a while back, that I have become part of a small speaking-in-Greek group in Boulder. I just heard from someone from C.U. that may join us. I hope that when you get back from Germany you can maybe join us. ερρωσο.
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