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ne musca quidem olla reperta

Postby phil » Tue May 04, 2010 1:59 am

In a story, some chap has lost his jar, and suspects his neighbour. Tandem itum est ad illum; explōrātum an apud illum esset ōlla; nē musca quidem ōlla reperta.

Eventually, a journey was made to his house to see whether the jar was there; not even a mouse the jar was found. Eh? clearly I don't understand that phrase. Is it an idiom, or am I close to being one? The notes at the back say 'no sign was found...' which makes sense, but I can't get that from the actual words used.
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Re: ne musca quidem olla reperta

Postby ptolemyauletes » Tue May 04, 2010 8:26 am

musca is a fly, not a mouse...
could it be 'not even a fly was found, let alone a jar.'?
Another possibility is that olla the second time around could be ulla, as it is occasionally rendered with an o instead of a u, but this makes no sense.
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Re: ne musca quidem olla reperta

Postby thesaurus » Tue May 04, 2010 1:45 pm

ptolemyauletes wrote:musca is a fly, not a mouse...
could it be 'not even a fly was found, let alone a jar.'?


Yes, this is it. "Ne . . . quidem" means "not . . . even."
Horae quidem cedunt et dies et menses et anni, nec praeteritum tempus umquam revertitur nec quid sequatur sciri potest. Quod cuique temporis ad vivendum datur, eo debet esse contentus. --Cicero, De Senectute
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Re: ne musca quidem olla reperta

Postby phil » Thu May 06, 2010 11:16 pm

thanks for that. Yes fly, not mouse. I don't know how I got that wrong.

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