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Q:Hdt. 9.6.1

Postby chibibaiyun » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:23 am

Q:Hdt. 9.6.1
ἅμα δὲ ὑπομνήσοντας ὅσα σφι ὑπέσχετο ὁ Πέρσης μεταβαλοῦσι δώσειν, προεῖπαί τε ὅτι εἰ μὴ ἀμυνεῦσι Ἀθηναίοισι, ὡς καὶ αὐτοί τινα ἀλεωρὴν εὑρήσονται.

My question is about "---δώσειν","προεῖπαί",and "ὅτι ---ὡς";a close translation of this sentence would be appreciated greatly!

Thanks a lot!
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Re: Q:Hdt. 9.6.1

Postby modus.irrealis » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:39 pm

δώσειν is the future infinitive here with ὑπέσχετο since verbs meaning "promise" can take a future infinitive. προεῖπαι must go with the earlier ἔπεμπον (sent messengers to tell beforehand/warn) and ὅτι goes with προεῖπαι.

But it's the ὡς that I can't really explain, and I find it a really tricky word at times. The meaning seems clear, but one possibility is that this is case where a verb has been ellipted and usually that verb is taken to be ἴσθι so it's "know that they..." to make the statement stronger. That's how I read it here in context, as strengthening that they will find a way to escape.

So overall I read it as

[sent messengers to blame..] and at the same time to remind [them] of however many [=what] the Persian had promised to give them if they change sides [< participle μεταβαλοῦσι], and to tell them that if they didn't aid the Athenians, they themselves would find some escape.
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Re: Q:Hdt. 9.6.1

Postby chibibaiyun » Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:30 pm

modus.irrealis wrote:προεῖπαι must go with the earlier ἔπεμπον (sent messengers to tell beforehand/warn) and ὅτι goes with προεῖπαι.


you are definitely right! yet, I'm still a little puzzled that is προεῖπαι an infinitive? the infinitive is not προειπεῖν?

by the way, you Greek is terrific! I admire you so much!!!
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Re: Q:Hdt. 9.6.1

Postby modus.irrealis » Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:06 pm

The verb εἶπον is usually a second aorist, but you do come across first aorist forms based on εἶπα.
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