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Plato Symp. 173c

Postby vir litterarum » Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:43 am

ὅταν δὲ ἄλλους τινάς, ἄλλως τε καὶ (5)
τοὺς ὑμετέρους τοὺς[λόγους] τῶν πλουσίων καὶ χρηματιστικῶν, αὐτός
τε ἄχθομαι ὑμᾶς τε τοὺς ἑταίρους ἐλεῶ, ὅτι οἴεσθε τὶ ποιεῖν
(d.) οὐδὲν ποιοῦντες.

It seems to me that there should be a καί separating ὑμᾶς and τοὺς ἑταίρους: " whenever I hear other sorts of words, especially your talk of money and moneymaking, I myself am grieved and I take pity on you [and] your companions.... How can this sentence work without a conjunction between ὑμᾶς and τοὺς ἑταίρους? Could τοὺς ἑταίρους be in apposition to ὑμᾶς and refer to the λόγους, i.e. "...and I take pity on you, their companions..."?
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Re: Plato Symp. 173c

Postby modus.irrealis » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:21 pm

vir litterarum wrote:It seems to me that there should be a καί separating ὑμᾶς and τοὺς ἑταίρους: " whenever I hear other sorts of words, especially your talk of money and moneymaking, I myself am grieved and I take pity on you [and] your companions.... How can this sentence work without a conjunction between ὑμᾶς and τοὺς ἑταίρους? Could τοὺς ἑταίρους be in apposition to ὑμᾶς and refer to the λόγους, i.e. "...and I take pity on you, their companions..."?

Yeah, I would take it to be in apposition, but what do you mean by referring to the λόγους? I read it as something like "you my companions", meaning "you who are my companions".
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Re: Plato Symp. 173c

Postby vir litterarum » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:22 pm

ah. that makes more sense.
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Re: Plato Symp. 173c

Postby Swth\r » Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:06 pm

Note also that the conjunction is "τε... τε", not "τε...καί". That is why you do not see any καί... :wink:
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