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i have come to this place

Postby a voice less vivid » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:52 pm

Γεἰα σας!

I'm an American student studying in Athens for a semester. I'm a classics major currently planning on going to grad school and becoming a prof. My username is actually the name of my band at home ... we're a progressive metal band but our name should make classics fans geek out, 'cause it's from the use of the subjunctive voice in the future less vivid conditional in Latin :D

I have come here for some advice, because I am a fairly good classics student but I'm having some trouble. Hopefully you all can help!
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Re: i have come to this place

Postby Damoetas » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:11 pm

Definitely, we are glad to help! I see that you have already posted something on the Learning Latin board, so hopefully you'll get some helpful responses....
Dic mihi, Damoeta, 'cuium pecus' anne Latinum?
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Re: i have come to this place

Postby Essorant » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:56 pm

Welcome to textkit.

...subjunctive voice...


Shouldn't that be subjunctive mood? :)
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Re: i have come to this place

Postby a voice less vivid » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:20 am

Essorant wrote:Welcome to textkit.

...subjunctive voice...


Shouldn't that be subjunctive mood? :)


...you are completely right. my band name is ruined. luckily, i didn't come up with it...my classics grad student friend/former latin prof did. but that's how he explained it to me. so i'm going to have to berate him for that! i never even thought about it. duh. of course.

but surely you'll at least agree that a voice less vivid is a much better name than a mood less vivid... :P maybe that's why.
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Re: i have come to this place

Postby BillWood » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:19 pm

I have a lot to learn about moods voices etc, but I had a thought with this. AND, I know I can get myself into a lot of trouble with this thought : ) But here it goes. Most of our Latin, and to some extent Hebrew and Greek studies, we handle as dead languages. The roots, moods and so forth are at least for the most part "In Stone" But is it possible 'intention' enters the picture at times more then what was actually said? At least at one time, these were living languages and the times at hand often redefined a word or two. So, a latin phrase coming from a latin teacher might be OK if it is used is such and such a way. Again I may be wrong here, but if you are "so at home with a language" you can read into and out of it much more then say myself with little or no background... ??? Just thinking. I know in English, I often say what I do not literally mean, but you totally understand me because of a dozen other things that enter the picture. Again I emphasize I'm walking on pretty thin ice here, as I should translate what the speaker said, not what the teacher was thinking : ) how do I know what was going through their minds??? Thanks for putting up with me : ) Happy Studies Bill
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Re: i have come to this place

Postby Damoetas » Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:37 pm

BillWood wrote:I have a lot to learn about moods voices etc, but I had a thought with this. AND, I know I can get myself into a lot of trouble with this thought : ) But here it goes. Most of our Latin, and to some extent Hebrew and Greek studies, we handle as dead languages. The roots, moods and so forth are at least for the most part "In Stone" But is it possible 'intention' enters the picture at times more then what was actually said? At least at one time, these were living languages and the times at hand often redefined a word or two. So, a latin phrase coming from a latin teacher might be OK if it is used is such and such a way. Again I may be wrong here, but if you are "so at home with a language" you can read into and out of it much more then say myself with little or no background... ??? Just thinking. I know in English, I often say what I do not literally mean, but you totally understand me because of a dozen other things that enter the picture. Again I emphasize I'm walking on pretty thin ice here, as I should translate what the speaker said, not what the teacher was thinking : ) how do I know what was going through their minds??? Thanks for putting up with me : ) Happy Studies Bill


Bill, I think you're definitely on to something. When we get bogged down in rules of grammar, it's easy to forget that these were living languages that people used to chat about all sorts of things. And when you speak something as your native language, you speak in a certain way not so much because some teacher tells you to, as because you've internalized a set of rules and grammar instinctively. Sometimes, you can bend the rules a little bit for effect; you can say unusual things that are figurative or metaphorical. Past a certain point, you can't bend the rules or the sentence becomes nonsense. And on top of this, you have the fact that teachers DO prescribe certain usages; these "rules" do impact people's usage in complex ways; the way you talk is also influenced by how you want to present yourself in a given social situation (and speaking too "correctly" is not always a good thing) -- all of these factors interact in complicated ways. We can analyze this for modern languages (in the branches of linguistics known as pragmatics and sociolinguistics). It's obviously harder to get data for ancient languages, but it's good to remember that these types of issues really were in play.
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