Markos wrote:Yes, there is always a chance. Etymology is more of an art than an exact science. Make an argument, and you will have established that there is a chance that these two words are related. Even if not "related" you can always say "akin to" or "compare."
Damoetas wrote:Markos wrote:Yes, there is always a chance. Etymology is more of an art than an exact science. Make an argument, and you will have established that there is a chance that these two words are related. Even if not "related" you can always say "akin to" or "compare."
I'm not sure I agree with you here.... Historical linguistics (of which etymology is a part) is an exact science, even though it sometimes has very little precise data to work with. If I were you I would consult an etymological dictionary or a book on Indo-European linguistics, because these words have definitely been investigated by other scholars before. κέρας, I know, is from an Indo-European root, the same source as Latin cornu and English "horn." It seems highly unlikely that κεράννυμι would be from the same root.
modus.irrealis wrote:I thought a connection was very possible, but didn't have any resources to check if it had been considered. But formally there's a match as the root of both seems to be keras- with an -s-, and semantically they are not unrelated. I mean, it's possible that mixing wine and water, for example, was done in (drinking) horns.
Actually, I just realized I do have Sihler's book, and he mentions that -ννυμι is usually the result of adding -νυ to a root ending in -σ but he then said it has been extended to roots ending in a vowel, and under these he includes κεράννυμι, which means he doesn't see κερασ- there.
Swth\r wrote:modus.irrealis wrote:Perhaps even earlier, e.g. in Proto IE, there was some kind of relation, mode.irrealis...
Markos wrote:That was my original point. The whole thing is mere speculation. There is simply too much we don't know. We don't know anything, really, about the ancestors of PIE. We don't know how old such languges are. There is speculation that there was a common ancestor of PIE and Proto-Semitic. You
probably know about Hebrew KEREN, "horn" which is presumed to be a PIE loanword, but we don't know for sure.
The question is not only the speculative basis of this "science" but its value. Does it help you understand either word if you discover whether they are related or not? I would say etymology almost always leads to less understanding, not more. Does it help you REMEMBER words to discover cognates? Absolutely. Then it matters not whether the etymology be true or false. If the mixing in horns image helps you remember the words, go for it. Argue thus. No one will be able to refute you. Since we know absolutely nothing about the people who may have spoken the language ten thousand, fifty thouand years ago, you will be on safe ground asserting that these words were at one time related.
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