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How do you say the following?

Postby Quis ut Deus » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:22 pm

Salvete!

OK, I'll start a new thread. I need to know how to say the following:

A. 'Thanks for helping me' or 'Thanks for the help' or 'Thanks for bringing the book'

Is it:

Gratias tibi/vobis ago auxilio

B. 'I prefer ___ to ____'

Example:

I prefer milk to water. Malo lecte aquae

Gratias vobis ago rursum!

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Re: How do you say the following?

Postby adrianus » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:27 pm

Sale Quis ut deus

A. 'Thanks for helping me' or 'Thanks for the help' or 'Thanks for bringing the book'
Gratias tibi ago de...auxilio
Gratias tibi ago quod...librum tulisti...me adjuvisti


B. 'I prefer ___ to ____'
I prefer milk to water. Lac aquâ malo/praefero. Lac mihi est aquâ potior.
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Re: How do you say the following?

Postby Quis ut Deus » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:33 pm

Salve Adriane!

So, we use the ABLATIVE to 'prefer X to Y?'

As in:

Femina pulchra feminâ foedâ malo.


Gratias tibi ago de auxilio, Adriane!

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Re: How do you say the following?

Postby adrianus » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:40 pm

Malo lac quàm aquam (is always good // semper bonum est)
Malo lac aquâ (poetry and post-Augustan, says L&S // poeticè et post aevum Augusti, secundum L&S)
Malo lac aquae (dative is late Latin, I think, following L&S. // dativo casu, latinum serum est. After AD 123 says OLD)

Praefero lac aquae (accusative + dative is classical with praefero says L&S. // Accusativus cum dativo usus aevi classici est , secundum L&S.)
"Praefero lac aquae [dative]" or "Lac mihi est aquâ [ablative] potior" according to Ainsworth.

Sorry for the confusion but that's helped me now.
Quod te confudi me excusas, at nunc res clarior mihi est.
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Re: How do you say the following?

Postby Quis ut Deus » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:56 pm

Salve Adriane!

Thanks for the information.

I think I'll stick with "Praefero" and Accusative + Dative!

Gratias tibi ago de auxilio!
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Re: How do you say the following?

Postby thesaurus » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:33 pm

Is ob permissible, as in "gratias tibi ago ob auxilium." I'm not sure if it's good Latin, but I often use a participle like "gratias tibi ago librum (ad)ferenti." I suppose this would only have a present aspect though, not necessarily fit for thanking on message boards.

Estne verbum "ob" nobis concensum, sicut "gratias tibi ago ob auxilium." Nescio an recta sit Latina, sed saepe participio utor, sicut "gratias tibi ago librum (ad)ferenti." Reor autem hoc solum tempori praesenti pertinere et haud idoneum ad gratias agentes apud fora.
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Re: How do you say the following?

Postby adrianus » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:46 pm

thesaurus wrote:"gratias tibi ago ob auxilium."

I think that's perfect, thesaure.
Perbonum est, ut censeo, thesaure.
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Re: How do you say the following?

Postby Bretonus » Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:42 am

I have seen this a couple times, and I wonder if it would be more common in conversation, that only "gratias tibi" is said, and the verb is just understood to be there.
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Re: How do you say the following?

Postby adrianus » Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:25 pm

Eqo equidem saepè sic scribo, Bretone, id quod dicis credens, at continuò disco. Cur coquè non solùm "Gratias!"? Etiam habes "Deo gratias, alleluia, alleluia!" quod liturgiam Catholicam terminat. Non classica liturgia at latina certé.

Well, I often write "gratias tibi" under the impression that what you say is reasonable, but I'm in a process of learning. Why not just "Thanks // Gratias!" also? You have "Deo gratias // Thanks to God, alleluia, alleluia!" at the end of the Catholic Mass. Not classical but it's certainly Latin.
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Re: How do you say the following?

Postby ptolemyauletes » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:49 am

Another possibility...
tibi gratias ago id.
A simple double accusative?
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Re: How do you say the following?

Postby adrianus » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:45 pm

That's curious. Where do you see a double accusative with "ago", ptolemyauletes?
Attractivum est. Ubi, ptolemyauletes, dua vocabula independentia casu accusativo cum "ago" reperis?

Hoc amo. // I like "gratias habeo et ago" for "Thanks. I'm grateful" ("I thank and feel thanks") from // per "Dis magnas merito gratias habeo et ago" Terentius, Phorm. 5, 6, 80 ["To the gods I feel and I give duly a lot of thanks"]. Ita nota: dicis "Gratiam habeo. Gratias ago."; non dicis "Gratias habeo. Gratiam ago."
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