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Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby Scribo » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:53 pm

Can someone recommend one? One that starts somewhat easy and begins to get harder as time gets on, with a vocab list preferably. I prefer military/mythological themes rather than philosophy but would love anything that helps me build a working vocabulary.

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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby spiphany » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:55 pm

I've been keeping a list of readers and similar resources here: http://spiphanies.blogspot.com/2009/05/ ... aders.html (note that some of the textbooks can also be used as readers). I haven't used any of them except Rouse, so I can't make specific recommendations.
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby Prometheus » Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:35 pm

I would suggest using any one (or more than one) of the contemporary reading-based Ancient Greek texts

Athenaze
Reading Greek
Thrasymachus
Ancient Greek Alive


as a graded reader. They all contain vocabulary lists (in Thrasymachus you have to hunt for them, but they're there), along with more or less elaborate grammatical support, and all start out relatively easy (Athenaze introduces way too much vocabulary too early for my personal taste). Several have official or unofficial websites, audio recordings, and discussions here on Textkit that you may find helpful, so by all means do some online searches. As far as content goes, you'll find the battle of Salamis and the Peloponesian Wars(Reading Greek), the story of Theseus and the Minotaur and of Odysseus and the Cyclops (Athenaze), and guest appearances of the Olympian gods themselves(Thrasymachus). Ancient Greek Alive is different from the others in that it contains mainly non-classical material (such as humorous stories about the Sufi wise man Nasruddin).

Among public domain materials, I would suggest one of the many books intended as an introduction to Xenophon's account of the retreat of his band of Greek mercenaries from Persia, the Anabasis of Cyrus, beginning with White's First Greek Book. White contains paragraph-length excerpts from Xenophon, with full vocabulary (though no translation). A next step could be directly to one of the bilingual editions of Xenophon (interlinear or on facing pages), or to something in between, such as the teaching edition of the first four chapters of the Anabasis downloadable from Textkit.

If you'd like more bibliographical information, or web links, to anything I've mentioned, please ask.

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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby Beatus Pistor » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:58 am

Scribo, if you have finished most of your 'grammar', I think the best option would be: Anne Mahoney, Morice's Stories in Attic Greek, Focus Publishing 2005.
This book is actually a revision of stories adapted or written by Morice. According to the preface the stories are revised for ease of use, and helping the reader to get actual reading knowledge. It has a vocabulary in its back.

If you want an easy text with mainly political/military vocabulary I would also try:
Maurice W. Mather and Joseph William Hewitt, Xenophon's Anabasis: Book 1-4, University of Oklahoma Press(paper back reprint). I think this is the best Xenophon with running line-by-line commentary and a thorough vocabulary, including etymologies and English cognates, which usually help in memorizing the vocabulary.

for a working vocabulary of circa 1500 words I would suggest:
Malcolm Campbell, Classical Greek Prose: A Basic Vocabulary by, 1998.
Because it is a bit expensive, I would suggest you obtain it from a public library.
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby Markos » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:39 pm

Beatus Pistor wrote:Scribo, if you have finished most of your 'grammar', I think the best option would be: Anne Mahoney, Morice's Stories in Attic Greek, Focus Publishing 2005.
This book is actually a revision of stories adapted or written by Morice. According to the preface the stories are revised for ease of use, and helping the reader to get actual reading knowledge. It has a vocabulary in its back.


This is a nice text, but be advised that Morice includes lots of very rare vocabulary that beginners won't know, causing you to look up more words than you would in other Reader's. The stories have not really been revised. Morice's orgininal notes were sparse with not a lot of help, and Mahoney does not add much. The font is nice and large, though. For something easier and more progressive, I would go with Greek Boy at Home or Athenaze.
I am writing in Ancient Greek not because I know Greek well, but because I hope that it will improve my fluency in reading. I got the idea for this from Adrianus over on the Latin forum here at Textkit.
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby Gonzalo » Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:52 pm

Maybe this one could help. It's easy to read and delightful. Regards!
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby Lina » Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:12 pm

Since we're talking about Morice's stories...

I'm going to finish Athenaze II pretty soon, and I want to buy myself a little gift as a reward. From me to me!

I have been very interested in getting Morice's stories, because it looks really entertaining and has big, good-looking text font. I have high myopia and I don't want anything that requires a lot of eyestrain to read.

But my big concern is that, to my understanding, there are no translations in the book. I couldn't find translations on the Internet either.

Can someone who has read the Morice book tell me if the lack of translations for the readings is a problem?
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby Gonzalo » Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:40 pm

Lina wrote:Since we're talking about Morice's stories...

I'm going to finish Athenaze II pretty soon, and I want to buy myself a little gift as a reward. From me to me!

I have been very interested in getting Morice's stories, because it looks really entertaining and has big, good-looking text font. I have high myopia and I don't want anything that requires a lot of eyestrain to read.

But my big concern is that, to my understanding, there are no translations in the book. I couldn't find translations on the Internet either.

Can someone who has read the Morice book tell me if the lack of translations for the readings is a problem?

I myself am working throgh Athenaze (the Italian one) and now am about to begin second volume. If it's of your help, I have recorded for my personal use some material from Athenaze and other sources which I've been publishing here. As for Morice's book I can't say anything but, anyway, congratulations for having gone so far with Athenaze!

P.S.: By the way, the Accademia Vivarium Novum has published some readers amongst which lectures are the Tabula Cebetis, the Romance of Alexander and some others in an excellent typography and illustrated with many drawings. Their web site seems to be down so far but they should fix it in a while, I guess.
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby Markos » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:26 am

Hi Lina,

Morice's syntax is very easy, so I would say to the extent that not having a translation is ever not a problem, it would not be one here. Of course, many people would advise you to avoid a translation even if there was one. I myself like to have a translation of any Greek I read, even if I don't use it much, just to check my work. "Easy" is always a relative term, but I would say that if you don't mind looking up a lot of words, you won't really need a translation for Morice. And yes, Mahoney's reprint has just about the biggest Greek font I have ever seen. Bottom line, I would recommend the book. As far as I know, none of these Reader's have translations, though some may be available on line. One that does is Greek Proverbs by D.S. Baker, which has English and Modern Greek translations. I have not seen it, but I'm told that the Greek font is fairly large. This might be a good gift to get yourself, at less than $10.00.
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby oberon » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:26 am

A Greek Anthology: A reader is a great book I have recommended to students. It contains several readings from Homer to the NT. Every word outside a core vocabulary is glossed in every section, and there is a lexicon in the back.
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby Lina » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:49 am

Thanks for all your suggestions. Maybe I'll buy more than one book...hmm.
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby aloimonon » Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:57 am

Gonzalo wrote:Maybe this one could help. It's easy to read and delightful. Regards!


Wow Gonzalo, thanks! There are many history textbooks there written in (light) puristic Greek! Using the "downthemall" extension for Firefox, I was able to automatically download all those PDFs instead of tediously clicking on them one at a time. Now I have to categorize them. Hopefully there are histories there in Modern Greek also. If you (or anyone else) has any links to Greek educational works, especially Grammar and History books, please post them. Hopefully some university level books will show up here, but already I count myself lucky indeed to have these books, elementary though they are.

I've just started looking them over, but this also is interesting to me:
Ancient Greek Grammar in Puristic Greek

Maybe a Modern Greek grammar of Ancient Greek will show up on this booklist...hopefully of the University level!
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby thesaurus » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:13 pm

I've found A Greek Reader for Schools by Freeman and Lowe to be useful for short and relatively simple readings, if dated and brief in its notes. It includes a lexicon. With that said, I've found the copious readings in the Italian Athenaze to be most helpful.
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby thesaurus » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:23 pm

Gonzalo wrote:Maybe this one could help. It's easy to read and delightful. Regards!


Do you know anything more about this book? Is it an Ancient Greek reader for Greeks? I've just started look at it and it seems extremely useful. Like the Italian Athenaze but without the marginal aides. What are the notes on individual words? Are they just synonyms? Is all of the book Attic Greek or is modern mixed in there?
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby Gonzalo » Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:03 pm

Hi,

Aloimonon, I'm glad that you liked that one. It's very interesting the Grammar book you provided.

Thesaure, from what I've read hither and thither (I don't remember the other place) it's a traditional reading book used in Greece. Since I'm not Greek, I cannot say properly in which extent it's been used but it's very useful as supplementary reading stuff for those beginners like us. Anyway, I didn't realised those notes at the end because I didn't print them but I have taken a look and despite my Modern Greek (with my English) has gone definitely down by my idleness I can recognize without any doubt στὰ χαμενὰ (2,1) as Modern Greek (polytonic orthography) and ὲν ἀπόρῳ εἰμί = εὑρίσκομαι εἰς στενοχωρίαν (2,3) seems or Ancient Greek or Katharevousa. Here's what I can say from my humble knowledge. Maybe any Greek more instructed might bring light.

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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby aloimonon » Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:26 am

thesaurus wrote:Do you know anything more about this book? Is it an Ancient Greek reader for Greeks? I've just started look at it and it seems extremely useful. Like the Italian Athenaze but without the marginal aides. What are the notes on individual words? Are they just synonyms? Is all of the book Attic Greek or is modern mixed in there?


It seems to be a Grade 7 high school text book from long ago in '64. In those times in official contexts, puristic Greek was used instead of Modern Greek, and, the notes seem to be in puristic Greek. Since sometime in the 1970s, puristic Greek ceased to be used in many of its previous contexts (the Patriarchate is an exception, but it is of course located in Constantinople, not Greece proper). I do believe that many works of non-fiction from the 1970s and earlier are written in puristic Greek, so it's definitely a useful skill to be able to read it. I wonder if the younger generation in Greece can read puristic Greek. I would guess so. Since Modern Greek is my third language ( :oops: ) I'd welcome any native Greek speaker to shed any light on any of my comments.

Maybe somewhere in that list of books there is a Ancient Greek reader with Modern Greek notes so you could do a comparison.

EDIT1: Actually the reader has in section 2 (page 97 in the text, 101 in Adobe Reader) texts written entirely in puristic Greek. Honestly I'm not sure what the purpose of these texts are, as they are in an Ancient Greek reader. Section 3 has notes written in puristic Greek related to the Ancient Greek text in section 1. Section 2 is highly curious to me.
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby modus.irrealis » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:37 pm

aloimonon wrote:EDIT1: Actually the reader has in section 2 (page 97 in the text, 101 in Adobe Reader) texts written entirely in puristic Greek. Honestly I'm not sure what the purpose of these texts are, as they are in an Ancient Greek reader. Section 3 has notes written in puristic Greek related to the Ancient Greek text in section 1. Section 2 is highly curious to me.

I believe the second section is for translation into Ancient Greek. At least that what the notes suggest to me, since they give hints for case usage and give ancient equivalents to modern words.
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby aloimonon » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:42 pm

modus.irrealis wrote:I believe the second section is for translation into Ancient Greek. At least that what the notes suggest to me, since they give hints for case usage and give ancient equivalents to modern words.


Of course, makes sense. In any case, the reader is good for me considering my low beginner status. So far I'm enjoying reading it.
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby rustymason » Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:07 pm

Xairete,

We have four readers we are going to read after JACT and before Xenophon and Homer. In what order do you think we should work?
* Morice's Stories in Attic Greek, by Anne Mahoney (vocabulary in back; ~2480 Greek words)
http://books.google.com/books?id=GYkCAAAAQAAJ

* Stories and Legends: A First Greek Reader, by F.H. Colson (1888) (notes and vocabulary in back; ~2700 Greek words)
http://books.google.com/books?id=WqsBAAAAYAAJ

* A First Greek Reader, by Charles Melville Moss (1887) (vocabulary in back; ~1800 Greek words)
http://www.archive.org/details/firstgre ... 00mossrich


* First Greek Reader, by John E.B. Mayor (notes and vocabulary in back; ~5500 Greek words)
http://books.google.com/books?id=SYoCAAAAQAAJ


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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby annis » Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:50 pm

Woah. Serious necropost!

rustymason wrote:* Stories and Legends: A First Greek Reader, by F.H. Colson (1888) (notes and vocabulary in back; ~2700 Greek words)
http://books.google.com/books?id=WqsBAAAAYAAJ


I have this in hardcover. It's a nice little book.
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby Scribo » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:20 am

annis wrote:Woah. Serious necropost!

rustymason wrote:* Stories and Legends: A First Greek Reader, by F.H. Colson (1888) (notes and vocabulary in back; ~2700 Greek words)
http://books.google.com/books?id=WqsBAAAAYAAJ


I have this in hardcover. It's a nice little book.


Agreed lol. Also as the OP let me mention what I did. Basically books cost money, I have no money, therefore no books, so instead I just hammered away at grammar and reading and now just read Ancient Greek direct. Which is handy because I'm a second year.
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby rustymason » Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:16 pm

Non intelligo. What do you mean, "necropost"?
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby NateD26 » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:03 pm

rustymason wrote:Non intelligo. What do you mean, "necropost"?

According to Wikipedia, it's just another term for internet bump, when someone
revives an otherwise dead/old thread, purely in order to raise the thread's profile.
I don't think that was your motivation, but they probably mean that you could have posted a new thread.
No harm done though! :)

I'd like to thank the recommendation of Stories and Legends: A First Greek Reader, by F.H. Colson,
(1908 version @Internet Archive). A great reader so far!
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Re: Easy/Graded Attic Greek reader?

Postby jaihare » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:26 pm

NateD26 wrote:According to Wikipedia, it's just another term for internet bump, when someone
revives an otherwise dead/old thread, purely in order to raise the thread's profile.
I don't think that was your motivation, but they probably mean that you could have posted a new thread.
No harm done though! :)

I'd like to thank the recommendation of Stories and Legends: A First Greek Reader, by F.H. Colson,
(1908 version @Internet Archive). A great reader so far!


I've always intended it much less technically than this. It just means that you start posting on a thread that was dead a long time ago. Chances are, the original poster and earlier participants aren't even on the forum anymore in many cases!
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