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Breathing marks... .

Postby David333 » Thu May 28, 2009 3:10 pm

I've changed my keyboard settings to Greek polytonic (on Word 2007 using a Vista computer) which means that I can type in Greek: αβγδ... . I've worked out how to add accents (ά) although am studying Koine Greek from Wenham who avoids accents in his Elements. Anyway, I can't work out how to add rough or smooth breathing marks to my vowels. Can anyone give me a clue please...? Thank you!
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Re: Breathing marks... .

Postby jaihare » Thu May 28, 2009 3:17 pm

David333 wrote:I've changed my keyboard settings to Greek polytonic (on Word 2007 using a Vista computer) which means that I can type in Greek: αβγδ... . I've worked out how to add accents (ά) although am studying Koine Greek from Wenham who avoids accents in his Elements. Anyway, I can't work out how to add rough or smooth breathing marks to my vowels. Can anyone give me a clue please...? Thank you!

It's the same. You just have to hit the right key before your vowel.

' gives ἀ (smooth breathing).
" gives ἁ (rough breathing).
/ gives ἄ (smooth breathing with acute).
? gives ἅ (rough breathing with acute).
\ gives ἂ (smooth breathing with grave).
| gives ἃ (rough breathing with grave).
= gives ἆ (smooth breathing with circumflex).
+ gives ἇ (rough breathing with circumflex).

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Re: Breathing marks... .

Postby David333 » Thu May 28, 2009 3:39 pm

Thank you so much! I can now do what appears to be a rough breathing if I look very closely at my screen - ἀ. There doesn't seem to be any way of doing a smooth breathing without an accompanying accent though; is this right...?
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Re: Breathing marks... .

Postby David333 » Thu May 28, 2009 4:05 pm

Okay, I've been playing. On reflection, here are my results:-

Circumflex - ᾶ
Circumflex with smooth breathing - ἆ
Grave accent - ὰ
Acute accent - ά
Smooth breathing with grave - ἂ
Smooth breathing with acute - ἄ

I think that I'm missing all of the possible rough breathings. Any advice please...? When you suggest " plus the vowel for a rough breathing, I don't actually have a " button: it's only shift plus 2 on my English keyboard and " isn't on the Greek keyboard. Sorry if I'm asking really obvious questions! Thanks again...
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Re: Breathing marks... .

Postby modus.irrealis » Thu May 28, 2009 4:33 pm

If a key gives you X + smooth breathing, then shift plus that key gives you X + rough breathing. So ' gives you just smooth breathing, but " = shift + ' gives you the rough breathing.
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Re: Breathing marks... .

Postby David333 » Thu May 28, 2009 4:40 pm

modus.irrealis wrote:If a key gives you X + smooth breathing, then shift plus that key gives you X + rough breathing. So ' gives you just smooth breathing, but " = shift + ' gives you the rough breathing.



Thank you! It does work. Thank you so much both of you for your help!

[Edited because of initial stupidity]
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Re: Breathing marks... .

Postby David333 » Thu May 28, 2009 5:28 pm

Final question! By playing around I've managed to get a cedilla beneath a vowel - ῳ - but I'm struggling to get a cedilla underneath and another accent above the ω. Any ideas...?
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Re: Breathing marks... .

Postby modus.irrealis » Thu May 28, 2009 6:11 pm

You have to hold down the right alt key to add the iota subscript, so ᾷ is right-alt + [, ᾂ is right-alt + shift + \, and so on.

This only doesn't work for ᾳ which you've already got, and ᾴ which you get by right-alt + Q.
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Re: Breathing marks... .

Postby David333 » Thu May 28, 2009 6:20 pm

Thank you so much! I really do appreciate your help. Somebody needs to write this stuff down somewhere! I really did try googling it... . That should have been my final answer but I'm tempted to ask how you get a Greek semi-colon... :wink:
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Re: Breathing marks... .

Postby modus.irrealis » Thu May 28, 2009 6:42 pm

You mean ·? That's right-alt + shift + ]

; is q + space (or the way I do it q + q + backspace ;))
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Re: Breathing marks... .

Postby David333 » Thu May 28, 2009 6:47 pm

Thank you! I think that I finally have Mark 9 copied from my Nestle-Aland to my laptop, complete with unlearnt accents and fully memorised breathing marks. Now to exegete it :wink:
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Re: Breathing marks... .

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