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Postby Swth\r » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:42 pm

Could anyone please explain to me which possesive pronouns have vocative form? I (think I) know the follow:

meus -> mi/meus
mea -> mea
noster -> noster


What about other genders of persons (or numbers)?

Potest quidam, quaeso, me docere quae pronomina possesiva casum vocativum habeant? Scio solum haec:

meus -> mi/meus
mea -> mea
noster -> noster

Nescio vero an altera genera vel alterae personae (vel alteri numeri) vocativum habeant necne.
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Postby calvinist » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:02 pm

I am pretty certain that mi (nom. sg. masc.) is the only one that differs from the nominative, hopefully someone else will chime in and verify. All other genders, singular and plural, have the same form as the nominative including noster and the rest.
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Postby benissimus » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:29 am

confirmed, meus is the only one with a special vocative. note that 'mi' is only vocative singular masculine, the other genders are normal and the plural masculine is 'mei'. Also, consider that possessive pronouns would not normally occur in the vocative except in the first person (and usually first person singular, at that).
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Postby Swth\r » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:58 am

benissimus wrote:confirmed, meus is the only one with a special vocative. note that 'mi' is only vocative singular masculine, the other genders are normal and the plural masculine is 'mei'. Also, consider that possessive pronouns would not normally occur in the vocative except in the first person (and usually first person singular, at that).


So, we have:

meus -> mi/meus, (mei)
mea -> mea, (meae)
meum -> meum, (mea)

noster -> noster, (nostri)
nostra -> nostra, (nostrae)
nostrum -> nostrum, (nostra)

But may I also ask about the use of "mi" and "meus"? Is the following use the correct one?

mi pater - meus pater
mi exrcitus - meus exercitus

But:

mi socie - meus socius
mi fili - meus filius

I suppose meus socie - meus fili is wrong ???

As for quotation in bold, I was suspecting that something like that should happen. Thank you both guys for the help!
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Postby calvinist » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:01 pm

benissimus wrote:note that 'mi' is only vocative singular masculine

oops! yes, meus is the nominative.
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Postby adrianus » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:02 pm

Swth\r wrote:I suppose meus socie - meus fili is wrong ???

Salve Swth\r
"Meus" is rarely used in the vocative, but it can be. "Mi" is regularly used.
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Postby calvinist » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:11 pm

meus is used for the vocative in certain cases for stylistic reasons. For instance, deus has a base of "de" and so uses deus as the vocative (as opposed to 'dee') and so throughout the Vulgate you will find Deus meus "my God!" and not Deus mi, which would technically be correct although not preferred. So, meus fili is not technically wrong, but mi fili is much better.
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Postby Swth\r » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:02 pm

Once more, thank you all fellows!
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