I invoke the vast powers of the tubes! Aspirated clusters.
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I invoke the vast powers of the tubes! Aspirated clusters.
I have been trying to find some — any — online resource that might give me sound files of Armenian with a phonetic transcription somewhere nearby. I want to hear a consonant cluster of aspirated, voiceless stops. Any of our linguisticky types know of such a thing?
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You might find something at the UCLA Phonetics Lab Archive, where it has some files on Armenian -- the first word-list has bɛtʰkʰ, but that's all I found after a quick look-through. There are a lot of languages there, though, if you know any others. There's also the UCLA Phonetics Lab itself but it doesn't seem to have any examples.
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William S. Annis — http://www.aoidoi.org/ — http://www.scholiastae.org/
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τίς πατέρ' αἰνήσει εἰ μὴ κακοδαίμονες υἱοί;
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But we have a model for it. Well, I do, at least. I was most concerned about the articulation of the first element of the cluster. The second is easy.Amadeus wrote:Alas, there are no examples of pʰtʰ.
Perhaps we should wish Modus ἄφθιτον κλέος.
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Yes, of course! But it would have been nice to have that particular cluster, don't you agree?annis wrote:But we have a model for it.
Lisa: Relax?! I can't relax! Nor can I yield, relent, or... Only two synonyms? Oh my God! I'm losing my perspicacity! Aaaaa!
Homer: Well it's always in the last place you look.
Homer: Well it's always in the last place you look.
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μάλιστά γε!Amadeus wrote:Yes, of course! But it would have been nice to have that particular cluster, don't you agree?
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After listening to the Georgian example a couple times, I hear something, but I doubt I would be able to distinguish something like [pÊ°kÊ°] vs. [pkÊ°]. Fortunately with Greek, that skill doesn't seem necessary since the distinction doesn't seem to exist there (and of course there's the fact that I'm not going to be running into any speakers any time soon). But it makes me wonder, are there are any languages where this distinction is phonemic?
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I haven't decided yet, though I've become less resistant to the idea. I just wanted to see if epenthetic vowels were usual in this sort of cluster — they aren't.Lucus Eques wrote:So Will, would you now say that φθ probably would have fullsome aspiration on both consonants?
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