Examples of the Demonstrative IS
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Examples of the Demonstrative IS
Can anybody give me an example of the demonstrative
IS being used in the Dative and the Ablative?
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IS being used in the Dative and the Ablative?
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So is 'EO DIE' ablative here?timeodanaos wrote:eo die promisit ei.
'On that day, he/she promised him/her (something).
'EI' is in the Dative correct but it is being used as a personal pronoun
and not a demonstrative?
If you change the sentence to, "EO DIE, PROMISTI EI MAGISTRO LIBRUM," then EI is now in the Dative and it is a demonstrative not a personal pronoun?
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Why is it that demonstratives are used to stress things such
as in the sentence:
EO DIE PROMISITI EI MAGISTRO LIBRUM
but that there is nothing really that special about EI
in this sentence as deserving stress
I would expect in english for stress to be considered:
Statement: That guy did it
Question: Which guy?
Statement: That guy!
Here you see it as stressed. But what is so deserving stress
about the use
EO DIE PROMISITI EI MAGISTRO LIBRUM
On THAT day you promised a book to THE teacher
Thanks.
as in the sentence:
EO DIE PROMISITI EI MAGISTRO LIBRUM
but that there is nothing really that special about EI
in this sentence as deserving stress
I would expect in english for stress to be considered:
Statement: That guy did it
Question: Which guy?
Statement: That guy!
Here you see it as stressed. But what is so deserving stress
about the use
EO DIE PROMISITI EI MAGISTRO LIBRUM
On THAT day you promised a book to THE teacher
Thanks.
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Demonstratives don't primarily indicate stress. What they do is help pick out which object is being referred to (from demonstrare = to show), i.e., this object over here as opposed to that one over there. They can indicate distance from speaker or addressee, or how recently something was brought up in discourse (that teacher, the one we've been talking about).
They can be used to add emphasis, but don't have to.
They can be used to add emphasis, but don't have to.
IPHIGENIE: Kann uns zum Vaterland die Fremde werden?
ARKAS: Und dir ist fremd das Vaterland geworden.
IPHIGENIE: Das ist's, warum mein blutend Herz nicht heilt.
(Goethe, Iphigenie auf Tauris)
ARKAS: Und dir ist fremd das Vaterland geworden.
IPHIGENIE: Das ist's, warum mein blutend Herz nicht heilt.
(Goethe, Iphigenie auf Tauris)
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When you say discourse are you refering to a special type of speech?spiphany wrote:Demonstratives don't primarily indicate stress. What they do is help pick out which object is being referred to (from demonstrare = to show), i.e., this object over here as opposed to that one over there. They can indicate distance from speaker or addressee,
or how recently something was brought up in discourse (that teacher, the one we've been talking about).
They can be used to add emphasis, but don't have to.
Or are you simply refering to the object origianlly noted showing
up later in the sentence
Does spoken Latin from ancient times use alot of demonstratives in
common speech or are they rare in general?
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Sorry, 'discourse' is simply a way of talking about any extended use of language -- a story, a conversation, etc. -- and the way it presents various types of information. For example, you typically don't just start a story with "John" without giving your listener some information about who he is. This is where demonstratives come in -- they help us orient ourselves.
I haven't read enough Latin prose to give any sort of authoritative judgment about the frequency of demonstratives, but my impression is that they're not particularly rare, any more than "this" and "that" are in English.
I haven't read enough Latin prose to give any sort of authoritative judgment about the frequency of demonstratives, but my impression is that they're not particularly rare, any more than "this" and "that" are in English.
IPHIGENIE: Kann uns zum Vaterland die Fremde werden?
ARKAS: Und dir ist fremd das Vaterland geworden.
IPHIGENIE: Das ist's, warum mein blutend Herz nicht heilt.
(Goethe, Iphigenie auf Tauris)
ARKAS: Und dir ist fremd das Vaterland geworden.
IPHIGENIE: Das ist's, warum mein blutend Herz nicht heilt.
(Goethe, Iphigenie auf Tauris)