Hello,
I have a couple of Latin grammar questions that I'd be very happy if anyone could help explain to me.
"Cum essent hae nuptiae plenae dignitatis plenae concordiae, repente est exorta mulieris importunae nefaria libido, non solum dedecore verum etiam scelere coniuncta."
-I understand the general meaning here perfectly, but I'm having trouble in defining the verb part, ie "est exorta". Exorta is from the deponent verb exorior (arise, spring forth), and I assume it is perfect participle, agreeing with libido (f sg). But what is the role of "est" and how do "est" and "exorta" fit together? The best I can get out of this is something like "...suddenly, the sinful lust of a shameless woman is arisen..." (Or is it a perfect passive participle turned upside down - ie with "est" first and then the participle??)
-And secondly, what would be the meaning and case of "verum" in the last part? "...connected/combined not only with infamy (verum??) but also with crime."
"Is cum esset mortuus..."
-This obviuosly means something like... When he was dead, when he had died... Esset is fine, imperfect active subjunctive, subjunctive because of cum. "mortuus" however, is that simply a predicate adjective/perfect participle?
-And a related question, that I hope makes some sense: Does the rule of active meaning of the passive form for deponent verbs also apply to the participles of such verbs (eg mortuus above)?
Thanks a lot! I'd appreciate any feedback very much.
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You are incorrect about "esset" being imperfect subjunctive. When any form of "essem,-es, etc." is joined with the perfect passive participle in periphrasis, it represents the pluperfect, not the imperfect tense.
participles of deponent of verbs are also active. The only exception is the gerundive, or the future passive participle.
participles of deponent of verbs are also active. The only exception is the gerundive, or the future passive participle.
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Hi.
past participle + sum, es, est.....
So, "exorta est" means "has arisen".
The perfect active of deponent verbs forms like,Exorta is from the deponent verb exorior (arise, spring forth), and I assume it is perfect participle, agreeing with libido (f sg). But what is the role of "est" and how do "est" and "exorta" fit together?
past participle + sum, es, est.....
So, "exorta est" means "has arisen".
is ok, just the difference of "is arisen" and "has arisen"."...suddenly, the sinful lust of a shameless woman is arisen..."