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another point from exercitia 1. this has probably been answered already but i cant be bothered looking it up. what are the correct pronoun / adj forms for these two sentences (ch 4 ,ex 5) and why.?
adestne servus iulii? servus _____ adest.
in sacculo _______ pecunia non est , sacculus ______ vacuus est.
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suus and eius
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suus etc
hi kaspar
i dont know .the first one seems to be saying that his (somebody elses servant) is present.(i have the answers.)does this mean a bad servant doesnt count.?
number two seems to be saying that from the point of view of julius the bag is empty
what i need is a rule or method which can apply in all situations.i havent found it in teach yourself or wheelock yet.maybe i havent done enough of the exercises.all help appreciated.
little flower
i dont know .the first one seems to be saying that his (somebody elses servant) is present.(i have the answers.)does this mean a bad servant doesnt count.?
number two seems to be saying that from the point of view of julius the bag is empty
what i need is a rule or method which can apply in all situations.i havent found it in teach yourself or wheelock yet.maybe i havent done enough of the exercises.all help appreciated.
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If the thing/person belongs to the subject of the phrase, use suus-a-um, otherwise use ejus.
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It's as Bedwere says, Little Flower: "suus -a um" is reflexive, referring to the subject of the sentence. "Eius" isn't. So I hazard:
"Is Julius's servant here? His servant is." [And not: "His own servant is here."]
"There is no money is his bag, his bag is empty." [the comma here confuses me!]
Just think about resolving any ambiguity by imagining "his own and not anyone else's" = "suus -a -um".
Ut dicit Bedwere, Floscule, "suus -a -um" reflexum sensum habet, id est, sententiae ideaeve subjectivo refert; "euus -a -um" irreflexum, id est, alio quà m subjectivo refert.
Ergô, ut puto,
"adestne servus iulii? servus eius adest."
"in sacculo eius pecunia non est, sacculus eius vacuus est." [Haec comma me conturbat!]
Casu ambiguitatis, ostenditur quòd "suus -a -um" congruens est.
"Is Julius's servant here? His servant is." [And not: "His own servant is here."]
"There is no money is his bag, his bag is empty." [the comma here confuses me!]
Just think about resolving any ambiguity by imagining "his own and not anyone else's" = "suus -a -um".
Ut dicit Bedwere, Floscule, "suus -a -um" reflexum sensum habet, id est, sententiae ideaeve subjectivo refert; "euus -a -um" irreflexum, id est, alio quà m subjectivo refert.
Ergô, ut puto,
"adestne servus iulii? servus eius adest."
"in sacculo eius pecunia non est, sacculus eius vacuus est." [Haec comma me conturbat!]
Casu ambiguitatis, ostenditur quòd "suus -a -um" congruens est.
The subject of the verb "adest" is NOT Julius, it is "servus", so use "eius". Otherwise, "Julius dicit servum suum adesse", "Julius says that his [own] servant is present."Little Flower wrote:the first one seems to be saying that his (somebody elses servant) is present.
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The verb is the key. In the first example the subject of the verb <b>adest</b> is <b>servus</b>. Is it the servant's servant you are talking about? Nope. Therefore you may know it must be <b>eius</b>
In the second example, the subject of the first <b>est</b> is <b>pecunia</b> and the subject of the second <b>est</b> is <b>sacculus</b>. Is the money the owner of the sack? Is the sack the owner of the sack? No. Therefore, again, I believe we may know it must be <b>eius</b> as well.<pre> </pre>
In the second example, the subject of the first <b>est</b> is <b>pecunia</b> and the subject of the second <b>est</b> is <b>sacculus</b>. Is the money the owner of the sack? Is the sack the owner of the sack? No. Therefore, again, I believe we may know it must be <b>eius</b> as well.<pre> </pre>