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I invoke the vast powers of the tubes! Aspirated clusters.

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I have been trying to find some — any — online resource that might give me sound files of Armenian with a phonetic transcription somewhere nearby. I want to hear a consonant cluster of aspirated, voiceless stops. Any of our linguisticky types know of such a thing?
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You might find something at the UCLA Phonetics Lab Archive, where it has some files on Armenian -- the first word-list has bɛtʰkʰ, but that's all I found after a quick look-through. There are a lot of languages there, though, if you know any others. There's also the UCLA Phonetics Lab itself but it doesn't seem to have any examples.

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William S. Annis — http://www.aoidoi.org/http://www.scholiastae.org/
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Alas, there are no examples of pÊ°tÊ°. :cry:

But a great find nevertheless! :D Thanks Modus!
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Amadeus wrote:Alas, there are no examples of pʰtʰ.
But we have a model for it. Well, I do, at least. I was most concerned about the articulation of the first element of the cluster. The second is easy.

Perhaps we should wish Modus ἄφθιτον κλέος.
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annis wrote:But we have a model for it.
Yes, of course! But it would have been nice to have that particular cluster, don't you agree? :wink:
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Amadeus wrote:Yes, of course! But it would have been nice to have that particular cluster, don't you agree? :wink:
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Post by modus.irrealis »

After listening to the Georgian example a couple times, I hear something, but I doubt I would be able to distinguish something like [pÊ°kÊ°] vs. [pkÊ°]. Fortunately with Greek, that skill doesn't seem necessary since the distinction doesn't seem to exist there (and of course there's the fact that I'm not going to be running into any speakers any time soon). But it makes me wonder, are there are any languages where this distinction is phonemic?

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So Will, would you now say that φθ probably would have fullsome aspiration on both consonants?

Awesome find. :)
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Lucus Eques wrote:So Will, would you now say that φθ probably would have fullsome aspiration on both consonants?
I haven't decided yet, though I've become less resistant to the idea. I just wanted to see if epenthetic vowels were usual in this sort of cluster — they aren't.
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