If you've got leaving on your mind (or, Patsy Cline greeked)
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If you've got leaving on your mind (or, Patsy Cline greeked)
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Very nice Will, even despite the (poetic) liberty taken as to the dreams that might have been.
I've drafted a latin version, also using the same meter. the third verse uses the meter of Mr Cho Dim for variety.
There are a number of weaknesses, but the most glaring is scilicet the line 'noli huc reliquere me etiam alucinantem ita adhinc'. To be perfectly honest, 'ita adhinc' is mere filler, putty, but well... it's the best i could come up with!
i'm not too sure about ending a line with a single syllable word either, and of course 'novus' doesn't really end with a long syllable. i've still used it as such because it's at the end of the line. I note you did the same.
si discedere destines
nunc narra mihi, finias
etiam me noce, finias
si discedere destines
sive in corde amor est novus
nunc narra mihi, finias
iamiam me noce, finias
sive in corde amor est novus
noli huc relinquere me
etiam alucinantem ita adhinc
nuncque me noce, finias
ut amare conperiam
sive in corde amor est novus
nunc narra mihi, finias
iamiam me noce, finias
sive in corde amor est novus
iamiam me noce, finias
sive in corde amor est novus
I've drafted a latin version, also using the same meter. the third verse uses the meter of Mr Cho Dim for variety.
There are a number of weaknesses, but the most glaring is scilicet the line 'noli huc reliquere me etiam alucinantem ita adhinc'. To be perfectly honest, 'ita adhinc' is mere filler, putty, but well... it's the best i could come up with!
i'm not too sure about ending a line with a single syllable word either, and of course 'novus' doesn't really end with a long syllable. i've still used it as such because it's at the end of the line. I note you did the same.
si discedere destines
nunc narra mihi, finias
etiam me noce, finias
si discedere destines
sive in corde amor est novus
nunc narra mihi, finias
iamiam me noce, finias
sive in corde amor est novus
noli huc relinquere me
etiam alucinantem ita adhinc
nuncque me noce, finias
ut amare conperiam
sive in corde amor est novus
nunc narra mihi, finias
iamiam me noce, finias
sive in corde amor est novus
iamiam me noce, finias
sive in corde amor est novus
“Cum ego verbo utar,” Humpty Dumpty dixit voce contempta, “indicat illud quod optem – nec plus nec minus.”
“Est tamen rogatio” dixit Alice, “an efficere verba tot res indicare possis.”
“Rogatio est, “Humpty Dumpty responsit, “quae fiat magister – id cunctum est.”
“Est tamen rogatio” dixit Alice, “an efficere verba tot res indicare possis.”
“Rogatio est, “Humpty Dumpty responsit, “quae fiat magister – id cunctum est.”
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It's not clear to me that the ancient Greeks had the same psychology of dreams that motivated that lyric. Also, it would have blown my neat 4-line glyconics.Kasper wrote:Very nice Will, even despite the (poetic) liberty taken as to the dreams that might have been.
What's Latin for "yay!"?I've drafted a latin version, also using the same meter.
Horace will be the poet to check for that, though I suppose Catullus uses his fair share of aeolic meters, too.i'm not too sure about ending a line with a single syllable word either,
If the lines were to be taken in synaphaea I would have indented differently. I used the glyconics by the line, so the final syllable of the line is indifferent. I'm pretty sure that applies to both Greek and Latin verse.and of course 'novus' doesn't really end with a long syllable. i've still used it as such because it's at the end of the line. I note you did the same.
So. A small Latin lesson for Wm...
My dictionaries make me suspicious about the acc. here with noceo. Dat. might be better.nunc narra mihi, finias
etiam me noce, finias
And the entire etiam... line leaves me in doubt about my Latin scanning abilities. Isn't it nocē?
That's probably enough of me Latinating for just now.
William S. Annis — http://www.aoidoi.org/ — http://www.scholiastae.org/
τίς πατέρ' αἰνήσει εἰ μὴ κακοδαίμονες υἱοί;
τίς πατέρ' αἰνήσει εἰ μὴ κακοδαίμονες υἱοί;
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Yeah well, 4 more months of law school and the world will reopen to me again, and allow me some time to actually read something other than case law.annis wrote:Horace will be the poet to check for that, though I suppose Catullus uses his fair share of aeolic meters, too.i'm not too sure about ending a line with a single syllable word either,
pardon?annis wrote: synaphaea
Indeed you are right on all counts. I will amend to: "nunc/iam noce mihi, finias"annis wrote:My dictionaries make me suspicious about the acc. here with noceo. Dat. might be better.nunc narra mihi, finias
etiam me noce, finias
And the entire etiam... line leaves me in doubt about my Latin scanning abilities. Isn't it nocē?
“Cum ego verbo utar,” Humpty Dumpty dixit voce contempta, “indicat illud quod optem – nec plus nec minus.”
“Est tamen rogatio” dixit Alice, “an efficere verba tot res indicare possis.”
“Rogatio est, “Humpty Dumpty responsit, “quae fiat magister – id cunctum est.”
“Est tamen rogatio” dixit Alice, “an efficere verba tot res indicare possis.”
“Rogatio est, “Humpty Dumpty responsit, “quae fiat magister – id cunctum est.”
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τίς πατέρ' αἰνήσει εἰ μὴ κακοδαίμονες υἱοί;
τίς πατέρ' αἰνήσει εἰ μὴ κακοδαίμονες υἱοί;
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τίς πατέρ' αἰνήσει εἰ μὴ κακοδαίμονες υἱοί;
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τίς πατέρ' αἰνήσει εἰ μὴ κακοδαίμονες υἱοί;
τίς πατέρ' αἰνήσει εἰ μὴ κακοδαίμονες υἱοί;
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One dodgy fix:
στᾶσαν ?νθάδε μὴ λίπῃς
παθοῦσάν τέ με καὶ μάτην.
More thinking may be required, to do more than merely satisfy the meter.
στᾶσαν ?νθάδε μὴ λίπῃς
παθοῦσάν τέ με καὶ μάτην.
More thinking may be required, to do more than merely satisfy the meter.
William S. Annis — http://www.aoidoi.org/ — http://www.scholiastae.org/
τίς πατέρ' αἰνήσει εἰ μὴ κακοδαίμονες υἱοί;
τίς πατέρ' αἰνήσει εἰ μὴ κακοδαίμονες υἱοί;