α?τός as a postpositive
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α?τός as a postpositive
I am currently perusing Professor Helma Dik's Word Order in Ancient Greek: A Pragmatic Account of Word Order Variation in Herodotus, and she keeps referring to α?τός as a postpositive. Why is it considered a postpositive?
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Re: α?τός as a postpositive
I would guess that she means as a 3rd person pronoun, since I've read that in this use it is a postpositive and doesn't occur first in its clause.
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Re: α?τός as a postpositive
William S. Annis — http://www.aoidoi.org/ — http://www.scholiastae.org/
τίς πατέρ' αἰνήσει εἰ μὴ κακοδαίμονες υἱοί;
τίς πατέρ' αἰνήσει εἰ μὴ κακοδαίμονες υἱοί;
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Re: α?τός as a postpositive
Anything but nominative. Vocatives are odd birds out on their own, but they're not oblique either.Bert wrote:Concerning the word oblique, is oblique anything but nominative (and vocative I guess) or anything but nominative and accusative?
I would say "position in the clause" rather than sentence, but yes.I can't recall having seen the genitive of autos as first in the sentence but I think I remember seeing it ahead of the noun it modifies. Being postpositive is only in reference to its position in the sentence and not in relation to its noun?
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τίς πατέρ' αἰνήσει εἰ μὴ κακοδαίμονες υἱοί;
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hi, have a look at apollonius dysc on pronouns and whatever commentary there is on this. i remember reading in there a ref to the acc sg of this pronoun as an enclitic, which would be relevant to its consideration as postpositive (remove spaces, pdf page 18 bottom, section number 26):
schmidhauser . us / docs / apollonius-sources / pronouns . pdf
a commentator on this section might cover the question you posed above, and in addition check out dover on word order if you haven't already... i can't remember if dover covers all non-nom uses of this pronoun at the end of a clause or only τοῦτο at the end of a clause before a ὅτι-type explanatory clause (or even if dover covers this use... my copy is back in aust)... does will or someone have a copy nearby to check this? thanks
schmidhauser . us / docs / apollonius-sources / pronouns . pdf
a commentator on this section might cover the question you posed above, and in addition check out dover on word order if you haven't already... i can't remember if dover covers all non-nom uses of this pronoun at the end of a clause or only τοῦτο at the end of a clause before a ὅτι-type explanatory clause (or even if dover covers this use... my copy is back in aust)... does will or someone have a copy nearby to check this? thanks
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