IPSE vs SUI: Comparative

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blutoonwithcarrotandnail
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IPSE vs SUI: Comparative

Post by blutoonwithcarrotandnail »

Is the following sentences uses both IPSE and SUI?

You conquered yourself and Rome

(It looks intensive/reflexive)

Is the following grammatically possible or is it gibberish?

You denied myself

It looks like it is an 'IPSE' sentence (intensive)

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Post by verbum sap »

You conquered yourself and Rome
in this case, you would use the 2nd singular reflexive tē because "yourself" refers back to the subject of the verb. if you wanted to use ipse, the English sentence would have to be something like "You yourself (ipse here) conquered yourself (tē here) and Rome."

You denied myself
i'm pretty sure this one just doesn't make sense. other options would be "You denied yourself" (using reflexive tē) or "I denied myself" (using reflexive mē)

something to remember about reflexive pronouns--i'm going to put it in italics because it's important--reflexive pronouns always refer back to the subject.

hope this helps

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Post by blutoonwithcarrotandnail »

'I denied myself' is the reflexive (Me)

the intensive counterpart should be

'You yourself denied me' (Ipse)

Correct?

Further, if you change 'They will fight to the death,' from the intensive
to the reflexive you should get:

'They will fight themselves to the death'

in which case 'themselves' is reflexive

If the sentence was

'They will fight themselves and ourselves to the death'

then 'themselves' is reflexive and 'ourselves' is intensive

Correct?

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