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Nominative Case

Postby MDS » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:11 am

(and the barrage of questions begins...)<br /><br />Is a noun in the nominative case always the subject of the verb in any given sentence? Surely there must be exceptions....Wheelocks says: "The Romans used the nominative case most commonly to indicate the subject of a finite verb." <br /><br />So when were there exceptions and in those examples, which case was used as the subject?
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby klewlis » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:39 am

the nominative can also be used for complement in a subject/complement pair, ie: "Billy is a boy", both nouns will be nominative. <br /><br />I assume it's also possible for an infinitive verb to act as subject (but I haven't gotten that far in wheelock yet so maybe I should shut up about subjects which I know not of ;)<br /><br />
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby MDS » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:51 am

Thanks, should have thought of the "subject/complement" pair myself but strange things happen when you think too much...<br /><br />What chaper in Wheelocks are you on?
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby phil » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:53 am

When an infinitive is used as a noun e.g. 'to err is human' (errare humanum est) then the infinitive in a neuter noun - I cheated and looked ahead tee hee hee.<br />Phil
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby klewlis » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:54 am

lol<br />i was about to say, "hey phil, when did you get ahead of me??"<br /><br />i'm doing the self-study for 17 as we speak. :)
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby benissimus » Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:05 am

There are also some strange things that occur with nominative in the passive.<br /><br />"Marcus is called a friend"<br />Marcus appellatur amicus<br /><br />Where "Marcus" seems to be the subject and "amicus" seems to be direct object. Just as in the active some verbs take double accusatives, the passive can take double nominatives.
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby Emma_85 » Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:54 pm

Especially with dicitur this can happen.<br /><br />Otherwise there's also the NcI, which is like the AcI only with a nominative.
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby Alundis » Wed Sep 17, 2003 2:57 am

What is an AcI?
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby Keesa » Wed Sep 17, 2003 12:21 pm

For that matter, what is an NcI?
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby Emma_85 » Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:30 pm

AcI = Accusativum cum Infinitivo<br />NcI = Nominativum cum Infinitivo<br /><br />Surly you must have heard of the AcI?!? It's one of the most important constructions in Latin, you'll find it everywhere!
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby klewlis » Thu Sep 18, 2003 4:03 am

sure we've heard of the construction, just not your system of abbreviation ;)
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby Keesa » Thu Sep 18, 2003 12:36 pm

Not I. :-[ But then, I'm only a beginner.
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby Episcopus » Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:26 pm

Nor I. <br /><br />Is the AcI (qué?!) either:<br /><br />Imperator pedites equitatumque castra occupare iussit; <br /><br />or<br /><br />Equites castra occupare erit imperatori gratum<br /><br />?<br /><br />All these freaky AcI PhD
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby Emma_85 » Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:01 pm

Uhh... dunno... both look like AcIs to me... :-\
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby Episcopus » Sat Sep 20, 2003 10:33 am

Well "Imperator pedites equitatumque castra occupare iussit" <br />is a straight up wishing/ordering/forbidding Acc.<br /><br />Whereas the 2nd is "For the horsemen to take possession of the camp will be pleasing to the general". <br /><br /><br />
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Re:Nominative Case

Postby Emma_85 » Sat Sep 20, 2003 12:09 pm

Those are both AcIs. Hmm... I always translate Latin - German, and you actually have less ways of translating a sentence than you do in English. In German you alway tranlate an AcI: ..., dass....<br />because there is no other way to translate that construction, although there are in English, so maybe that's why you don't learn about it as much, because you can translate it more easily...<br />AcIs are every common after word to do with the senses, like see or say.
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