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usage of "te"

Postby vir litterarum » Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:07 pm

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Re: usage of "te"

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Re: usage of "te"

Postby Bert » Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:58 pm

perispomenon wrote:
You mean 'pasi' instead of ' daita', I suppose?
that depends on whose copy you read.
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Postby vir litterarum » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:51 pm

Sorry I am using a different text than Perseus project does. I cannot find one to copy and paste from, so, assuming "daita" were in "pasi" place, would the "te" connect "elwria" and "daita" or just " kunessin" and "oiwnoisin"?
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Postby modus.irrealis » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:44 am

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Postby vir litterarum » Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:31 am

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Postby jk0592 » Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:54 pm

There is a pdf file "Iliad A notes" by C. Bochan, containing parsed Iliad A scholia. You will find there a comment on this specific example.

It is mentioned there that according to a great specialist on Greek particles, namely Dennison, in his work "The Greek Particles" (as i can infer) this would be an "example of a single te connecting two words", and that this te "follows the second word".

Hoping this is some help to you.
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Postby Tertius Robertus » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:03 am

the link is www dot freewebs dot com slash mhninaeide slash

for some weird reason the server does not allow the link to be posted directly

just in case someone is wondering....
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Postby jk0592 » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:35 am

Inserting the actual link also caused me many headaches, that is why I posted the information that could be "googled". Sometimes I do not understand the fancy technology which permits such great information exchange.
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Postby vir litterarum » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:13 am

Do you know if Dennison is using the text with "pasi" or the text with "daita"? If he is using "pasi," it is easy to understand how "te" is functioning. I was just not aware that "te" still held the second position when it is connecting one direct and indirect object with another direct and indirect object.
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Postby jk0592 » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:49 am

I have no access to the book by Dennison. But the text being analyzed by Bochan, in which the specific reference to Dennison is made, uses "pasi", not "daita".
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Postby annis » Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:24 pm

vir litterarum wrote:I was just not aware that "te" still held the second position when it is connecting one direct and indirect object with another direct and indirect object.


If you take the reading δαῖτα, I would think of τε in this line as joining clauses, which here has elided the verb τεῦχε.
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Postby vir litterarum » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:27 pm

where would "te" be placed if one merely wanted to coordinate "kunessin" and "oiwnoisin"?
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Postby annis » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:19 pm

vir litterarum wrote:where would "te" be placed if one merely wanted to coordinate "kunessin" and "oiwnoisin"?


κύνεσσιν οἰωνοῖσί τε.
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Postby vir litterarum » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:23 am

but that is the word order.
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Postby jk0592 » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:37 am

Interestingly, Pharr in his Homeric Greek, does use the "daita" version of Iliad A, line 5, not the "pasi". As faras I can see, no special discussion in Pharr accompany the use of "te" before "daita".
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Postby annis » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:19 pm

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