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XLIV the augment

Postby Tertius Robertus » Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:21 pm

  1. verbs beggining with p regularly double... those with l m v or c might get the doubvle
  2. verbs with a lost consonant f or c may take the consonantal augment instead of the syllabic
  3. initial c implies contractions (exo => eixov)
  4. initial f contraction may or may not take place


he gives examples for 4 whose origin i was not able to discover. i note that in andanw both things may happen eadon for the aorist and hndanon for the imperfetc or eandon as he gives in the example. (im reading these things in several ways, in one, "it happens in some cases", another, "one may choose", except for 4 which has the first as a clear meaning by the examples he shows - a clarification on this matter will be helpfull)

thus the question is, how can i know when such things happens. in any case, how can i form the imperfect. and in a simillar manner and spirit, how to form the pluperfect, which follows similar rules. ( e to the reduplicated stem, if it starts with a consonant, usually nothing otherwise)

edit: (should i bother with the future perfects or just ignore them?)
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Re: XLIV the augment

Postby annis » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:14 pm

Tertius Robertus wrote:thus the question is, how can i know when such things happens. in any case, how can i form the imperfect.


I would treat the imperfect as though it were another principal part, one that is somewhat more predictable in form, but still with plenty of oddities to memorize.
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Postby Tertius Robertus » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:36 pm

i was fearing that :D

where can i find them?
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Postby annis » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:44 pm

Tertius Robertus wrote:where can i find them?


The dictionary is the best tool to see what dance a verb favors. Good grammars, Smyth especially, will include imperfects in their verb appendices if they're odd.
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Postby Tertius Robertus » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:47 pm

i was fearing that too...

thanks, annis. :D
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Postby annis » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:04 pm

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Postby Tertius Robertus » Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:52 pm

:D

now that i managed somehow to organize all the verb charts in a better way, itr doesnt seem so scary at all, on the contrary, although there are a lot o things happening with the stem in the principal parts, the derived forms are quite straightfoward, and the verb endigs seem to be quite regular. :D

anyway.... ought i to treat the pluperfect in a similar manner?
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Postby annis » Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:31 pm

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Postby Tertius Robertus » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:28 am

thanks, all too easy :D
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