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Very new here!, and just wondering if there should be an archive.org book thread as a friend for edonelly's excellent Google Books thread. There's been a huge influx of new titles this year, so coverage is now comparable (at least) to that on googlebooks, and in quality the scans are generally far superior. As an example, here is a list of Loebs that I've tracked down. (A nice touch: the original text always faces its translation in these, whereas this seems to go wrong more often than not in the googlebook Loebs). Many of these titles were added in the last weeks and months, so the list is probably still actively growing.
LOEB CLASSICAL LIBRARY
Appian's Roman history (Volume II-IV)
http://www.archive.org/details/appiansr ... 02appiuoft
http://www.archive.org/details/appiansromanhist03appi
http://www.archive.org/details/appiansromanhist04appi
The Apostolic Fathers
http://www.archive.org/details/theapost ... 00unknuoft
Aristophanes Volume II-III
http://www.archive.org/details/aristoph ... u007880mbp
http://www.archive.org/details/AristophanesVolIii
Callimachus and Lycophron
http://www.archive.org/details/callimac ... 00calluoft
Dio's Roman history
http://www.archive.org/details/diosroma ... 03cassuoft
Epictetus The Discourses Volume I and II
http://www.archive.org/details/epictetu ... c010837mbp
http://www.archive.org/details/epictetu ... c010384mbp
Herodotus Volume I and IV
http://www.archive.org/details/herodotus01hero
http://www.archive.org/details/herodotus04hero
Hesiod, the Homeric Hymns and Homerica
http://www.archive.org/details/hesiodho ... 00hesiuoft
Marcus Aurelius
http://www.archive.org/details/thecommu ... 00marcuoft
Plato Volume I
http://www.archive.org/details/plato01plat
Polybius. The histories, Volume II and III
http://www.archive.org/details/historieswitheng02poly
http://www.archive.org/details/historieswitheng03poly
Procopius.
http://www.archive.org/details/procopiu ... 01procuoft
Theophrastus Enquiry into plants and minor works
http://www.archive.org/details/enquiryi ... 02theouoft
Apuleius. The golden ass.
http://www.archive.org/details/goldenas ... 00apuliala
Ausonius.
http://www.archive.org/details/deciausonius01ausouoft
http://www.archive.org/details/ausonius02auso
Cicero. Letters to Atticus, Volume II
http://www.archive.org/details/letterst ... 02ciceuoft
The works of the Emperor Julian, Volume II.
http://www.archive.org/details/worksofe ... 02juliuoft
Martial epigrams.
http://www.archive.org/details/martiale ... 01martiala
http://www.archive.org/details/martiale ... 02martiala
Ovid. Tristia Ex Ponto.
http://www.archive.org/details/ovidtris ... n011949mbp
Pliny Natural History Volume III and VI.
http://www.archive.org/details/plinynat ... t005560mbp
http://www.archive.org/details/plinynat ... t001816mbp
Quintilian Institutio oratoria.
http://www.archive.org/details/institutioorator00quin
The Scriptores historiae augustae.
http://www.archive.org/details/scriptoreshistor01camb
http://www.archive.org/details/scriptoreshistor02camb
http://www.archive.org/details/scriptoreshistor03camb
Seneca Ad Lucilium epistulae morales.
http://www.archive.org/details/adluciliumepistu01sene
Seneca Tragedies.
http://www.archive.org/details/tragedies00sene
Suetonius Volume II.
http://www.archive.org/details/suetonius02suetuoft
Terence Volume II.
http://www.archive.org/details/terence00tereuoft
Vitruvius. On Architecture.
http://www.archive.org/details/vitruviu ... i006859mbp
This is just the tip of an above-average iceberg. I can see a lot of rare titles that go way beyond limits of my tiny intellect, so please feel free to add your finds here if you like.
Two tips: 1. If you don't have a very fast internet connection you should use the "turn thumbnails off" option (you'll soon see why!). 2. The DjVu files are smaller than the pdfs, seem virtually identical in quality, and are distinctly quicker to browse through, at least on my computer. To download the DjVu file you need to click the FTP option, and save the file. View with WinDjVu or Mac DjVu http://windjview.sourceforge.net/)
LOEB CLASSICAL LIBRARY
Appian's Roman history (Volume II-IV)
http://www.archive.org/details/appiansr ... 02appiuoft
http://www.archive.org/details/appiansromanhist03appi
http://www.archive.org/details/appiansromanhist04appi
The Apostolic Fathers
http://www.archive.org/details/theapost ... 00unknuoft
Aristophanes Volume II-III
http://www.archive.org/details/aristoph ... u007880mbp
http://www.archive.org/details/AristophanesVolIii
Callimachus and Lycophron
http://www.archive.org/details/callimac ... 00calluoft
Dio's Roman history
http://www.archive.org/details/diosroma ... 03cassuoft
Epictetus The Discourses Volume I and II
http://www.archive.org/details/epictetu ... c010837mbp
http://www.archive.org/details/epictetu ... c010384mbp
Herodotus Volume I and IV
http://www.archive.org/details/herodotus01hero
http://www.archive.org/details/herodotus04hero
Hesiod, the Homeric Hymns and Homerica
http://www.archive.org/details/hesiodho ... 00hesiuoft
Marcus Aurelius
http://www.archive.org/details/thecommu ... 00marcuoft
Plato Volume I
http://www.archive.org/details/plato01plat
Polybius. The histories, Volume II and III
http://www.archive.org/details/historieswitheng02poly
http://www.archive.org/details/historieswitheng03poly
Procopius.
http://www.archive.org/details/procopiu ... 01procuoft
Theophrastus Enquiry into plants and minor works
http://www.archive.org/details/enquiryi ... 02theouoft
Apuleius. The golden ass.
http://www.archive.org/details/goldenas ... 00apuliala
Ausonius.
http://www.archive.org/details/deciausonius01ausouoft
http://www.archive.org/details/ausonius02auso
Cicero. Letters to Atticus, Volume II
http://www.archive.org/details/letterst ... 02ciceuoft
The works of the Emperor Julian, Volume II.
http://www.archive.org/details/worksofe ... 02juliuoft
Martial epigrams.
http://www.archive.org/details/martiale ... 01martiala
http://www.archive.org/details/martiale ... 02martiala
Ovid. Tristia Ex Ponto.
http://www.archive.org/details/ovidtris ... n011949mbp
Pliny Natural History Volume III and VI.
http://www.archive.org/details/plinynat ... t005560mbp
http://www.archive.org/details/plinynat ... t001816mbp
Quintilian Institutio oratoria.
http://www.archive.org/details/institutioorator00quin
The Scriptores historiae augustae.
http://www.archive.org/details/scriptoreshistor01camb
http://www.archive.org/details/scriptoreshistor02camb
http://www.archive.org/details/scriptoreshistor03camb
Seneca Ad Lucilium epistulae morales.
http://www.archive.org/details/adluciliumepistu01sene
Seneca Tragedies.
http://www.archive.org/details/tragedies00sene
Suetonius Volume II.
http://www.archive.org/details/suetonius02suetuoft
Terence Volume II.
http://www.archive.org/details/terence00tereuoft
Vitruvius. On Architecture.
http://www.archive.org/details/vitruviu ... i006859mbp
This is just the tip of an above-average iceberg. I can see a lot of rare titles that go way beyond limits of my tiny intellect, so please feel free to add your finds here if you like.
Two tips: 1. If you don't have a very fast internet connection you should use the "turn thumbnails off" option (you'll soon see why!). 2. The DjVu files are smaller than the pdfs, seem virtually identical in quality, and are distinctly quicker to browse through, at least on my computer. To download the DjVu file you need to click the FTP option, and save the file. View with WinDjVu or Mac DjVu http://windjview.sourceforge.net/)
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Wow! Thank you Briggsy! I've been looking through the Internet Archive, and I've found some stuff, but the sheer volume is intimidating! This is a big help.
I agree the DjVu format is the way to go; the quality of the image really is better and it can be about a third the size of the PDF file. And if your computer's not the latest and fastest, the DjVu reader is lean and mean compared with Adobe's bloated monster.
If you have Firefox, there's an extension called DownThemAll that allows you to circumvent that whole FTP process: You hit the FTP link, it gives you the list of file types, you click on the .djvu file, and it handles it just like a regular download. This is the only thing I use Firefox for any more, but it's worth the price (which is nothing, after all.) Plus, DownThemAll somehow ignores the kill signals Google Books sends out to abort the download early.
I think we should start a thread (well, I guess you just did) for all our Internet Archive finds.
I agree the DjVu format is the way to go; the quality of the image really is better and it can be about a third the size of the PDF file. And if your computer's not the latest and fastest, the DjVu reader is lean and mean compared with Adobe's bloated monster.
If you have Firefox, there's an extension called DownThemAll that allows you to circumvent that whole FTP process: You hit the FTP link, it gives you the list of file types, you click on the .djvu file, and it handles it just like a regular download. This is the only thing I use Firefox for any more, but it's worth the price (which is nothing, after all.) Plus, DownThemAll somehow ignores the kill signals Google Books sends out to abort the download early.
I think we should start a thread (well, I guess you just did) for all our Internet Archive finds.
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These are excellent. I've been finding that I actually prefer the Archive's interface and scans to that of Google's most of the time (Google is clearly more interested in quantity rather than quality), so I'm very glad to see the Archive's collection growing (on my website I just intermix the two). Here are some Google Books Loebs (and some OCT's just for fun), for you Loeb-lovers:
Latin Loebs
Gallic War (J. Caesar, 1919)
Civil Wars (J. Caesar, 1914)
Eclogues, Georgics, Aeneid I - VI (Virgil Vol. I of II, 1916)
Aeneid VII- XII, The Minor Poems (Virgil Vol. II of II, 1918)
Letter Vol. II of II (Pliny, 1915)
Claudian, Vol. I of II (Claudius, 1922)
Claudian, Vol. II of II (Claudius, 1922)
Correspondence of Marcus Cornelius Fronto Vol. I of II (1919)
Correspondence of Marcus Cornelius Fronto Vol. II of II (1920)
Scriptores Historiae Augustae Vol. I of III (1922)
Scriptores Historiae Augustae Vol. III of III (1922)
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Greek Loebs
Homeric Hymns, and Homerica (Hesiod, 1920)
Hellenica Books VI & VII, Anabis Books I - III (Xenophon, 1921)
Anabis Books IV - VII, Symposium and Apology (Xenophon, 1922)
Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phaedo, Phaedrus (Plato, 1913)
Theaetetus, Sophist (Plato, 1921)
Oedipus the King, Oedipus at Colonus, Antigone (Sophocles Vol. I of III, 1912)
Ajax, Electra, Trachiniae, Philoctetes (Sophocles Vol. II of III, 1913)
Bacchanals, Madness of Hercules, Children of Hercules, Phoenician Maidens, Suppliants (Euripides Vol. III of IV, 1912)
Ion, Hipplytus, Medea, Alcestis (Euripides Vol. IV of IV, 1912)
Menander, The Principal Fragments (Menander, 1921)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. I of X (Plutarch, 1914)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. II of X (Plutarch, 1914)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. IV of X (Plutarch, 1916)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. V of XI (Plutarch, 1917)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. VI of XI (Plutarch, 1918)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. VIII of XI (Plutarch, 1919)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. IX of XI (Plutarch, 1920)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. X of XI (Plutarch, 1921)
Daphnis & Chloe (Longus, 1916)
Herodotus Vol. III of IV [Books V - VII] (1922)
Thucydides Vol. II of IV [Books III & IV] (1920)
Thucydides Vol. III of IV [Books V & VI] (1921)
Library, Vol. I of II (Apollodorus, 1921)
Library, Vol. II of II (Apollodorus, 1921)
Speeches of Aeschines (1919)
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Latin OCT's
Tristia Book I (Ovid, 1885)
Aeneid Books X - XII (Virgil, 1891)
Bucolics and Georgics (Virgil, 1891)
Bucolics (Virgil, 1887)
P. Vergili Maronis Opera (Virgil, 1892)
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Greek OCTs (and Related)
Acharnians (Aristophanes, 1887)
Birds (Aristophanes, 1904)
Clouds (Aristophanes, 1894)
Frogs (Aristophanes, 1905)
Wasps (Aristophanes, 1893)
Oedipus Rex (Sophocles, 1867)
Oedipus Coloneus (Sophocles, 1891)
Oedipus Tyrannus, Oedipus Coloneus, Antigone (Sophocles, 1871)
Sophocles II - Oedipus Coloneus (Sophocles, 1900)
Sophocles III - Antigone (Sophocles, 1900)
Sophocles IV - Philoctetes (Sophocles, 1898)
Sophocles V - Trachiniae (Sophocles, 1892)
Sophocles VI - Electra (Sophocles, 1894)
Sophocles VII - Ajax (Sophocles, 1896)
Bacchae (Euripides, 1893)
Helena (Euripides, 1892)
Iphigenia in Tauris (Euripides, 1885)
Cyclops (Euripides, 1891)
Alcestis (Euripides, 1880)
Odyssey Books I - XII (Homer, 1882)
Odyssey Books XIII - XXIV (Homer, 1901)
Choephoroi (Aeschylus, 1900)
Republic (Plato, 1900)
Republic Vol. I Books I - V (Plato, 1902)
Apology (Plato, 1899)
Selections From the Dialogues of Plato (Plato, 1883)
Euthydemus (Plato, 1905)
Latin Loebs
Gallic War (J. Caesar, 1919)
Civil Wars (J. Caesar, 1914)
Eclogues, Georgics, Aeneid I - VI (Virgil Vol. I of II, 1916)
Aeneid VII- XII, The Minor Poems (Virgil Vol. II of II, 1918)
Letter Vol. II of II (Pliny, 1915)
Claudian, Vol. I of II (Claudius, 1922)
Claudian, Vol. II of II (Claudius, 1922)
Correspondence of Marcus Cornelius Fronto Vol. I of II (1919)
Correspondence of Marcus Cornelius Fronto Vol. II of II (1920)
Scriptores Historiae Augustae Vol. I of III (1922)
Scriptores Historiae Augustae Vol. III of III (1922)
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Greek Loebs
Homeric Hymns, and Homerica (Hesiod, 1920)
Hellenica Books VI & VII, Anabis Books I - III (Xenophon, 1921)
Anabis Books IV - VII, Symposium and Apology (Xenophon, 1922)
Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phaedo, Phaedrus (Plato, 1913)
Theaetetus, Sophist (Plato, 1921)
Oedipus the King, Oedipus at Colonus, Antigone (Sophocles Vol. I of III, 1912)
Ajax, Electra, Trachiniae, Philoctetes (Sophocles Vol. II of III, 1913)
Bacchanals, Madness of Hercules, Children of Hercules, Phoenician Maidens, Suppliants (Euripides Vol. III of IV, 1912)
Ion, Hipplytus, Medea, Alcestis (Euripides Vol. IV of IV, 1912)
Menander, The Principal Fragments (Menander, 1921)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. I of X (Plutarch, 1914)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. II of X (Plutarch, 1914)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. IV of X (Plutarch, 1916)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. V of XI (Plutarch, 1917)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. VI of XI (Plutarch, 1918)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. VIII of XI (Plutarch, 1919)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. IX of XI (Plutarch, 1920)
Plutarch's Lives Vol. X of XI (Plutarch, 1921)
Daphnis & Chloe (Longus, 1916)
Herodotus Vol. III of IV [Books V - VII] (1922)
Thucydides Vol. II of IV [Books III & IV] (1920)
Thucydides Vol. III of IV [Books V & VI] (1921)
Library, Vol. I of II (Apollodorus, 1921)
Library, Vol. II of II (Apollodorus, 1921)
Speeches of Aeschines (1919)
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Latin OCT's
Tristia Book I (Ovid, 1885)
Aeneid Books X - XII (Virgil, 1891)
Bucolics and Georgics (Virgil, 1891)
Bucolics (Virgil, 1887)
P. Vergili Maronis Opera (Virgil, 1892)
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Greek OCTs (and Related)
Acharnians (Aristophanes, 1887)
Birds (Aristophanes, 1904)
Clouds (Aristophanes, 1894)
Frogs (Aristophanes, 1905)
Wasps (Aristophanes, 1893)
Oedipus Rex (Sophocles, 1867)
Oedipus Coloneus (Sophocles, 1891)
Oedipus Tyrannus, Oedipus Coloneus, Antigone (Sophocles, 1871)
Sophocles II - Oedipus Coloneus (Sophocles, 1900)
Sophocles III - Antigone (Sophocles, 1900)
Sophocles IV - Philoctetes (Sophocles, 1898)
Sophocles V - Trachiniae (Sophocles, 1892)
Sophocles VI - Electra (Sophocles, 1894)
Sophocles VII - Ajax (Sophocles, 1896)
Bacchae (Euripides, 1893)
Helena (Euripides, 1892)
Iphigenia in Tauris (Euripides, 1885)
Cyclops (Euripides, 1891)
Alcestis (Euripides, 1880)
Odyssey Books I - XII (Homer, 1882)
Odyssey Books XIII - XXIV (Homer, 1901)
Choephoroi (Aeschylus, 1900)
Republic (Plato, 1900)
Republic Vol. I Books I - V (Plato, 1902)
Apology (Plato, 1899)
Selections From the Dialogues of Plato (Plato, 1883)
Euthydemus (Plato, 1905)
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The lists:
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
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By the way, this would all be great stuff for the Wiki, especially if combined with people's opinions about what to read at different levels, which editions are good, etc.
It's getting near the point where we can all have a (virtual) library that almost rivals Whiteoctave's (sans wine bottles).
It's getting near the point where we can all have a (virtual) library that almost rivals Whiteoctave's (sans wine bottles).
The lists:
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
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Re: Archive.org pdfs/DjVus
For those of us who hate an uncompleted set:briggsy wrote: Appian's Roman history (Volume II-IV)
http://www.archive.org/details/appiansr ... 02appiuoft
http://www.archive.org/details/appiansromanhist03appi
http://www.archive.org/details/appiansromanhist04appi
Volume I
http://www.archive.org/details/appiansromanhist01appi
and a different scan of Volume II:
http://www.archive.org/details/appiansromanhist02appi
The lists:
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
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Nice work edonnelly! Appian01 was an empty directory just 48 hours ago. These are coming in thick and fast! Some other recent additions I've just spotted:
Clement of Alexandria
http://www.archive.org/details/clementofalexand00clem
Plato Theaetetus [and] Sophist
http://www.archive.org/details/theaetetusandsop00plat
Plutarch's Lives
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives01plut2
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives02plut2
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives04plut
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives05plut
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives06plut
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives07plut
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives08plut
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives09plut
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives10plut
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives11plut
Volume III is an empty directory at the moment, but probably not for long
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives03plut2
Polybius The Histories,Volume I
http://www.archive.org/details/historieswitheng01poly
Boethius The theological tractates
http://www.archive.org/details/theologicaltract00boet
Claudian
http://www.archive.org/details/claudian01clau
http://www.archive.org/details/claudian02clau
The correspondence of Marcus Cornelius Fronto
http://www.archive.org/details/correspondenceof00fron
Livy Volume I and II
http://www.archive.org/details/livy01livy
http://www.archive.org/details/livy02livy
Clement of Alexandria
http://www.archive.org/details/clementofalexand00clem
Plato Theaetetus [and] Sophist
http://www.archive.org/details/theaetetusandsop00plat
Plutarch's Lives
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives01plut2
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives02plut2
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives04plut
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives05plut
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives06plut
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives07plut
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives08plut
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives09plut
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives10plut
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives11plut
Volume III is an empty directory at the moment, but probably not for long
http://www.archive.org/details/plutarchslives03plut2
Polybius The Histories,Volume I
http://www.archive.org/details/historieswitheng01poly
Boethius The theological tractates
http://www.archive.org/details/theologicaltract00boet
Claudian
http://www.archive.org/details/claudian01clau
http://www.archive.org/details/claudian02clau
The correspondence of Marcus Cornelius Fronto
http://www.archive.org/details/correspondenceof00fron
Livy Volume I and II
http://www.archive.org/details/livy01livy
http://www.archive.org/details/livy02livy
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Keep them coming.
I'm curious about the copyright on Loeb's, because some of these are much newer than anything on Google Books. The classic presumption is that anything "pre-1923" is public domain, but some of these books are MUCH more recent than that (obviously the original texts are ancient, but the translations as well as the production of it all would seem to be worth protecting). Some of these scans are books printed in the 50's. I just saw one with Editorial comments dated 1991 ( http://www.archive.org/details/scriptoreshistor01camb )! Does the LCL not care about copyright at all?
I'm curious about the copyright on Loeb's, because some of these are much newer than anything on Google Books. The classic presumption is that anything "pre-1923" is public domain, but some of these books are MUCH more recent than that (obviously the original texts are ancient, but the translations as well as the production of it all would seem to be worth protecting). Some of these scans are books printed in the 50's. I just saw one with Editorial comments dated 1991 ( http://www.archive.org/details/scriptoreshistor01camb )! Does the LCL not care about copyright at all?
The lists:
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
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As far as I can see these titles mostly include Loebs PUBLISHED in 1923 or earlier, although I did notice one published as late as 1932. Many are scanned from more recent reprints however. The example you mention was published in 1921 and the scanned reprint contains only a single page of later editorial comment. The archive.org entry states under "evidence of copyright" "no visible notice of copyright", which surprised me too, but it appears to be true.
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Tracking all these Loebs was making my brain hurt, so I put together a list of all the loebs sorted by catalog number and then added links for those we have Google or Archive links for. Once we get a wiki going, I'll move it there. For now:
Downloadable Loebs
If you click on the catalog number it will take you to the Loebs website's description of that title, which I think is kind of cool (though they have shuffled some things around over the past 90ish years). There are 501 loebs out there, so far we can get over 100 of them through either Google or the Internet Archive. I think that's pretty cool, too.
Downloadable Loebs
If you click on the catalog number it will take you to the Loebs website's description of that title, which I think is kind of cool (though they have shuffled some things around over the past 90ish years). There are 501 loebs out there, so far we can get over 100 of them through either Google or the Internet Archive. I think that's pretty cool, too.
The lists:
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
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Of course. By all means, post away.Moerus wrote: Are you by the way also interested in other sites that offer classical e-books? Let me know.
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G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
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There’s also DjVu stuff out there for folks on the lower rungs of Latin learning.
D’Ooge’s ’Latin for Beginners’ can be viewed but not downloaded (with or without a proxy) at Google Books but by clicking below ’ References from web pages’ on ’Image: Latin for beginners.pdf –Wikimedia Commons’, I warped into a page where I could download a DjVu version.
This was a perfect copy of the book - far superior to Google’s pdf or archive.org’s txt and html files, all of which perpetrated identical errors (who’s copying who?) like ’bellum genit’ for ’bellum gerit’, ’pericuis’ for ’periculis’, ’plaribus’ for ’pluribus’, etc. The DjVu comes complete with macrons too, for those interested.
I’m still new to this file format. Is there a ’DjVu for Beginners’? Who invented it and what tools exist for turning it into editable text?
Cheers,
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D’Ooge’s ’Latin for Beginners’ can be viewed but not downloaded (with or without a proxy) at Google Books but by clicking below ’ References from web pages’ on ’Image: Latin for beginners.pdf –Wikimedia Commons’, I warped into a page where I could download a DjVu version.
This was a perfect copy of the book - far superior to Google’s pdf or archive.org’s txt and html files, all of which perpetrated identical errors (who’s copying who?) like ’bellum genit’ for ’bellum gerit’, ’pericuis’ for ’periculis’, ’plaribus’ for ’pluribus’, etc. The DjVu comes complete with macrons too, for those interested.
I’m still new to this file format. Is there a ’DjVu for Beginners’? Who invented it and what tools exist for turning it into editable text?
Cheers,
Int
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D'Ooge is one of the few books available in true text form (i.e., searchable, copy-and-paste-able, etc.). It can be obtained from Project Gutenberg:
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/18251
This should be a fairly accurate version. It came from our leader Jeff's scans, which were then put through OCR and multiple runs of page-by-page corrections by the Distributed Proofreaders. If things are being copied out there, I'm sure it's everyone copying this version.
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/18251
This should be a fairly accurate version. It came from our leader Jeff's scans, which were then put through OCR and multiple runs of page-by-page corrections by the Distributed Proofreaders. If things are being copied out there, I'm sure it's everyone copying this version.
The lists:
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
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Just to show there still are a few pockets of the software industry existing here in the shadow of Microsoft, the DjVu format was developed by: http://lizardtech.com/ right here in Seattle. A little payback to Adobe for buying out and then killing Aldus all those years ago!Interaxus wrote:I’m still new to this file format. Is there a ’DjVu for Beginners’? Who invented it and what tools exist for turning it into editable text?
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Edonnelly: ?a fairly accurate version? indeed! Copied by all and sundry throughout the Internet universe. A version that the intended customers - beginners struggling to learn Latin on their own – absolutely cannot rely on. Strange that ’our leader’, Jeff - otherwise so squeamish when it comes to improving Textkit (e.g. by adding audio files of textkittens' own mewings) for fear of bringing down the wrath of academia on his head (as though they cared!) - allows such a defective product to infect the world at the speed of cyberlight. Not exactly the hallmark of quality ...
[Of course, that’s stuff for a different post altogether, a more socio-philosophical reflection: How long can a user-driven forum survive under its royal-prerogative 'ownership’?].
Arvid: Yes, I begin to see what the EU open-source folks are celebrating! Up to now, I’ve actually rather enjoyed the security of the common platform offered by Uncle Microsoft.
Cheers,
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[Of course, that’s stuff for a different post altogether, a more socio-philosophical reflection: How long can a user-driven forum survive under its royal-prerogative 'ownership’?].
Arvid: Yes, I begin to see what the EU open-source folks are celebrating! Up to now, I’ve actually rather enjoyed the security of the common platform offered by Uncle Microsoft.
Cheers,
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Well, Jeff just scanned the original text into a pdf and turned it over, as a public domain document, for conversion to real text to Distributed Proofreaders (which has done this for over 11,000 texts now available at Project Gutenberg). If there are inaccuracies in the OCR/proofing, then it is that organization which is to blame, for once they got ahold of it, Jeff no longer played a role.Interaxus wrote: Strange that ’our leader’, Jeff - ... - allows such a defective product to infect the world at the speed of cyberlight. Not exactly the hallmark of quality ...
The lists:
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
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Well, sort of. They have been OCR'd with a program expecting English text. For the Greek books, this results in total disaster. For example, here is some of the "text" from White's Passages for practice in translation at sight.briggsy wrote:Well anyway ... just thought I'd point out that all of the new archive.org pdfs and DjVus have linked text files included, so they ARE fully searchable and copy-and-paste-able.
Latin does a little better, since the letters can be recognized, but generally these OCR programs rely heavily on a spell checker to catch errors, and there's not much there to handle latin, and macrons seem to cause lots of problems. For example, here's the "text" from Anthon's Latin Versification:Archive Text Version wrote: Cyrus does not approve the proposal of the Persians to
remove to a more fertile country.
TOVTOV Se TOV 'ApTav/crew TOV aVa/cpe//,a-
cr#eVros TrpoTrdrcop 'Apre/A/^ap^s e'art 6 Ilepcny-
CTL e^TjyrjcrdfJievos \6yov TOP e/cetz>ot vTroXafiov-
res Kvpa> 7rpo<777*>et/cai>. \4yovTO, raSe " eVet Zeu?
and the original scan:Archive Text Version wrote:
LATIN VERSIFICATION. PART I.
* (31.)
Ginger tempora vlctrlcia Apollmea lauro.
(32.)
Felix qui transegit aevum in patriis agrls.
Quam juvat cubantem audlre Immites ventos !
(34.)
Phseacia tenet me aegrum terns Igndtis.
So it does OK, but it makes a couple of errors per line, which is a far cry from what you get when its gone through the human editing process (which apparently is not perfect).
Unfortunately, this is the best we have right now for about 99+% of the books out there (but it is better than nothing, especially if you are searching for something and do get a valid hit).
The lists:
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
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So I thought I'd update people on what's available Loeb-wise for download. I've continued to keep up my list, and people occasionally email me with additions. A very large number of the older Loebs can now be downloaded from google and/or the archive. In fact, of the first 140 Loebs (the "pre-1923" ones, if you will) all but five can be downloaded. Of the full 500+ Loebs in existence, almost exactly half are available right now for download. I still don't fully understand the copyright issues, but the Loebs do appear to be fairly unique in that even some of the fairly recent editions make no claim of copyright in them, and both Google and the internet archive uploaders attest that the versions available for download are in the public domain.
If anyone is in a "hunting" sort of mood, the five missing early Loebs are:
L006 Catullus -- Catullus. Tibullus. Pervigilium Veneris
L033N Horace -- Volume I: Odes and Epodes
L050 Strabo -- Geography II: Books 3-5
L073 Aristotle -- Volume XIX: Nicomachean Ethics
L077 Seneca -- Volume VI: Epistles 93-124
*Though note that these are the newer titles, and often the older versions were quite different.
If anyone is in a "hunting" sort of mood, the five missing early Loebs are:
L006 Catullus -- Catullus. Tibullus. Pervigilium Veneris
L033N Horace -- Volume I: Odes and Epodes
L050 Strabo -- Geography II: Books 3-5
L073 Aristotle -- Volume XIX: Nicomachean Ethics
L077 Seneca -- Volume VI: Epistles 93-124
*Though note that these are the newer titles, and often the older versions were quite different.
The lists:
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
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Re: Archive.org pdfs/DjVus
Nice work as always Ed. If you ever would like to write a guest post blog on Textkit to better feature you work, I'm all for that.
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Thanks, Jeff. There are some interesting things about these Loebs that I've discovered through all of this and I could put together some posts about them.
The lists:
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
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I would love that and I think too everyone else would benefit. Let me know when you're ready and I'll create an editor account for you on the blog.
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