BTW - Thinking without words doesn't work for me beyond some kind of visual-type mental images, which works well for thinking about making a bologna sandwich. But I can't think about beauty or truth or goodness in that way.
cdm2003 wrote:Bert, I also think, is very correct in saying that though Helen Keller may not have had English words racing through her head...she would nevertheless still possed a high-level of thought, though more than likely very different from what a hearing-person builds when they're young. An inability to communicate seems only to be born of language-depravation. Read here for a interesting though tragic example.
who are fluent in no language just don't have the means for thinking about things.
Helen Keller is an interesting point. I don't know much about her, but I thought she was a wild lunatic of a child until Anne Sullivan came along and started teaching her things, including language.
I doubt she had a high level of thought but I think that was due to abuse and mistreatment.Would you say that Genie from the story had high levels of thought, though she had no language? I doubt it.
It seems to me that the extent of your ability to use language is the extent of your ability to think.
Is language externalized thought or is thought internalized language? I believe the latter is much closer to the truth.
Rameses_Rex wrote:I have yet another question.
If we would come in contact with something unhuman (be it aliens, or butterflies) that had a system of communication, would be ever be able to comprehend it. I know about how bees communicate by dancing, but their 'language' is only adequate to give directions and orders, they can't talk about anything significant, like culture or religion.
And better yet: what if some kind of life-form had a language that would so advanced that when you'd compare humans languages and their language(s) our languages would be like the bee-language for them.
Wittgenstein once said: "if a lion could talk, we wouldn't be able to understand him", but is this really true?
I came to think of this as there's some talking about 'thinking without words/language' on the fora lately.
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