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Pharr section 143 - 6

Postby Bert » Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:28 pm

I'm having a bit of trouble with this line.<br />[face=SPIonic]o( qeo\j e)fiei\j e)xepeuke/a be/lea au)toi=sin [/face]( [face=SPIonic])Axaioi=sin[/face]) [face=SPIonic]e)/ballen[/face]<br />Without [face=SPIonic]e)fiei\j[/face] this sentence would mean; The god was shooting sharp arrows at them (the Achaeans).<br />I am not sure what to do with [face=SPIonic]e)fiei\j[/face]. The vocabulary section of the book says that it is a participle. It would have to be an aorist passive ( what happened to the theta?) The glosses given for [face=SPIonic]e)fi/hmi[/face] are -shoot against, hurl upon, send upon. If I am correct in saying that it is a passive participle, can this mean -was sent upon-(was sent for)?<br />Then this line would mean something like; The god who was sent for, i.e: Apollo, was shooting sharp arrows at them.<br />Am I close?<br />Thanks<br />Bert.
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Re:Pharr section 143 - 6

Postby annis » Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:41 pm

Check out section 956. The present participles of [face=SPIonic]i(/hmi[/face] are [face=SPIonic]i(ei/j, i(ei=sa, i(e/n[/face].<br /><br />So, no passive, just Epic fullness of expression using two verbs for hurling/throwing, one a participle, one a finite form.<br />
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Re:Pharr section 143 - 6

Postby Bert » Tue Sep 02, 2003 1:01 am

Aha. Thank you. So much to learn.
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Re:Pharr section 143 - 6

Postby annis » Tue Sep 02, 2003 1:33 am

[quote author=Bert de Haan link=board=2;threadid=579;start=0#5183 date=1062464503]<br />Aha. Thank you. So much to learn.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yep.<br /><br />By the way, I would take the participle phrase to be all of [face=SPIonic]e)fiei\j e)xepeuke/a be/lea au)toi=sin[/face], with [face=SPIonic]e)/ballen[/face] not having an object.
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Re:Pharr section 143 - 6

Postby Bert » Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:59 pm

[quote author=William Annis link=board=2;threadid=579;start=0#5185 date=1062466418]<br /> <br />By the way, I would take the participle phrase to be all of [face=SPIonic]e)fiei\j e)xepeuke/a be/lea au)toi=sin[/face], with [face=SPIonic]e)/ballen[/face] not having an object.<br />[/quote]<br />I quess there is not really any way to put that into English without butchering the language, is there?<br />Something like; The god, shooting sharp arrows at them, was shooting.
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Re:Pharr section 143 - 6

Postby annis » Tue Sep 02, 2003 11:04 pm

[quote author=Bert de Haan link=board=2;threadid=579;start=0#5219 date=1062543547]<br />I quess there is not really any way to put that into English without butchering the language, is there?<br />Something like; The god, shooting sharp arrows at them, was shooting.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />How about, "The god, sending sharp arrows upon them, was shooting."<br /><br />It still seems excessive in English, but does capture the true meaning of [face=SPIonic]e)f-i(/hmi[/face].
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